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  • #46
    Originally posted by GarnetWomack View Post
    You can keep your claim running forever as long as you don't break the half day rule, but you need a foreigner port call in every financial year (6th April to 5th April) for every employment.
    Is it defined anywhere what constitutes an employment?

    For example, if you're employed through an agency that issue you a new SEA for each trip you do, would you need a foreign port for each SEA?

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    • #47
      I everyone.

      Can I be a real pain and ask a question that has potentially already been answered?

      I currently work on a standby vessel doing a 28 day on/off rotation.

      My back to back and his wife are expecting a baby in March and so he has asked if I would be willing to help him be home for the birth by doing a double header. This would entail me having 56 days at home while he is at sea and then me doing 56 days at sea.

      My chief officer is telling me that this would void my tax claim for the year as I would have to do the 56 days at sea first to be entitled to the 56 days at home and still claim my tax in April.

      Can anyone that knows a bit about this shed some light on it? Basically, would I be shooting myself in the foot to try and help him out?

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      • #48
        Yes it might end your current claim period if you break the half day rule before you go back to sea. Don't you have a spreadsheet for recording your days in and out the country? That will tell you exactly how long you can stay in the country for before you break it.

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        • #49
          Originally posted by GarnetWomack View Post
          Yes it might end your current claim period if you break the half day rule before you go back to sea. Don't you have a spreadsheet for recording your days in and out the country? That will tell you exactly how long you can stay in the country for before you break it.
          I just track my days in a word document every so often. I'm no use with excel. I'll have the my 183 days out of the country at the end of it but my chief officer seems to think that I can't do two months at home and then two months at sea and still claim? He seems to think it should be the other way around?

          Does it not matter how I get my days out, as long as I have 183 days out at the end.

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          • #50
            Originally posted by Mantaforce View Post
            I just track my days in a word document every so often. I'm no use with excel. I'll have the my 183 days out of the country at the end of it but my chief officer seems to think that I can't do two months at home and then two months at sea and still claim? He seems to think it should be the other way around?

            Does it not matter how I get my days out, as long as I have 183 days out at the end.
            At all points within the qualifying period, you must be out of the country for at least 50% of the time.

            e.g. 5 months out, 5 months in, 2 months out counts.
            4 months out, 5 months in, 3 months out does not.

            That said, time out of the country whilst on leave also counts so just take a two week holiday somewhere to keep yourself above 50%.

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            • #51
              A B C D E F G H
              Date of Departure Date of Return Days out of U.K. Days in U.K. Running Total of all days Column E x 1/2 Running total of U.K. days Is column G greater than Column F ? YES/NO Days in Hand
              1 Blank 1
              2 Blank =IF(C4=0,"-",C4-B3) =IF(C4=0,"-",F3+E4+D4) 2 =IF(C4=0,"-",D4)
              3 Blank =IF(B5=0,"-",B5-C4) =IF(B5=0,"-",F4+E5+D5) =IF(B5=0,"-",E5+H4) 3
              4 Blank =IF(C6=0,"-",C6-B5) =IF(C6=0,"-",F5+E6+D6) =IF(C6=0,"-",F6*0.5) =IF(C6=0,"-",IF(H5>G6,"YES","NO")) 4 =IF(C6=0,"-",G6-H5)
              5 Blank =IF(B7=0,"-",B7-C6) =IF(B7=0,"-",F6+E7+D7) =IF(B7=0,"-",E7+H5) 5
              6 Blank =IF(C8=0,"-",C8-B7) =IF(C8=0,"-",F7+E8+D8) =IF(C8=0,"-",F8*0.5) =IF(C8=0,"-",IF(H7>G8,"YES","NO")) 6 =IF(C8=0,"-",G8-H7)
              7 Blank =IF(B9=0,"-",B9-C8) =IF(B9=0,"-",F8+E9+D9) =IF(B9=0,"-",E9+H7) 7
              8 Blank =IF(C10=0,"-",C10-B9) =IF(C10=0,"-",F9+E10+D10) =IF(C10=0,"-",F10*0.5) =IF(C10=0,"-",IF(H9>G10,"YES","NO")) 8 =IF(C10=0,"-",G10-H9)
              9 Blank =IF(B11=0,"-",B11-C10) =IF(B11=0,"-",F10+E11+D11) =IF(B11=0,"-",E11+H9) 9
              10 Blank =IF(C12=0,"-",C12-B11) =IF(C12=0,"-",F11+E12+D12) =IF(C12=0,"-",F12*0.5) =IF(C12=0,"-",IF(H11>G12,"YES","NO")) 10 =IF(C12=0,"-",G12-H11)
              11 Blank =IF(B13=0,"-",B13-C12) =IF(B13=0,"-",F12+E13+D13) =IF(B13=0,"-",E13+H11) 11
              12 Blank =IF(C14=0,"-",C14-B13) =IF(C14=0,"-",F13+E14+D14) =IF(C14=0,"-",F14*0.5) =IF(C14=0,"-",IF(H13>G14,"YES","NO")) 12 =IF(C14=0,"-",G14-H13)
              13 Blank =IF(B15=0,"-",B15-C14) =IF(B15=0,"-",F14+E15+D15) =IF(B15=0,"-",E15+H13) 13
              14 Blank =IF(C16=0,"-",C16-B15) =IF(C16=0,"-",F15+E16+D16) =IF(C16=0,"-",F16*0.5) =IF(C16=0,"-",IF(H15>G16,"YES","NO")) 14 =IF(C16=0,"-",G16-H15)
              15 Blank =IF(B17=0,"-",B17-C16) =IF(B17=0,"-",F16+E17+D17) =IF(B17=0,"-",E17+H15) 15
              16 Blank =IF(C18=0,"-",C18-B17) =IF(C18=0,"-",F17+E18+D18) =IF(C18=0,"-",F18*0.5) =IF(C18=0,"-",IF(H17>G18,"YES","NO")) 16 =IF(C18=0,"-",G18-H17)
              17 Blank =IF(B19=0,"-",B19-C18) =IF(B19=0,"-",F18+E19+D19) =IF(B19=0,"-",E19+H17) 17
              18 Blank =IF(C20=0,"-",C20-B19) =IF(C20=0,"-",F19+E20+D20) =IF(C20=0,"-",F20*0.5) =IF(C20=0,"-",IF(H19>G20,"YES","NO")) 18 =IF(C20=0,"-",G20-H19)
              19 Blank =IF(B21=0,"-",B21-C20) =IF(B21=0,"-",F20+E21+D21) =IF(B21=0,"-",E21+H19) 19
              20 Blank =IF(C22=0,"-",C22-B21) =IF(C22=0,"-",F21+E22+D22) =IF(C22=0,"-",F22*0.5) =IF(C22=0,"-",IF(H21>G22,"YES","NO")) 20 =IF(C22=0,"-",G22-H21)
              21 Blank =IF(B23=0,"-",B23-C22) =IF(B23=0,"-",F22+E23+D23) =IF(B23=0,"-",E23+H21) 21
              22 Blank =IF(C24=0,"-",C24-B23) =IF(C24=0,"-",F23+E24+D24) =IF(C24=0,"-",F24*0.5) =IF(C24=0,"-",IF(H23>G24,"YES","NO")) 22 =IF(C24=0,"-",G24-H23)
              23 Blank =IF(B25=0,"-",B25-C24) =IF(B25=0,"-",F24+E25+D25) =IF(B25=0,"-",E25+H23) 23
              24 Blank =IF(C26=0,"-",C26-B25) =IF(C26=0,"-",F25+E26+D26) =IF(C26=0,"-",F26*0.5) =IF(C26=0,"-",IF(H25>G26,"YES","NO")) 24 =IF(C26=0,"-",G26-H25)
              25 Blank =IF(B27=0,"-",B27-C26) =IF(B27=0,"-",F26+E27+D27) =IF(B27=0,"-",E27+H25) 25
              26 Blank =IF(C28=0,"-",C28-B27) =IF(C28=0,"-",F27+E28+D28) =IF(C28=0,"-",F28*0.5) =IF(C28=0,"-",IF(H27>G28,"YES","NO")) 26 =IF(C28=0,"-",G28-H27)
              27 Blank =IF(B29=0,"-",B29-C28) =IF(B29=0,"-",F28+E29+D29) =IF(B29=0,"-",E29+H27) 27
              28 Blank =IF(C30=0,"-",C30-B29) =IF(C30=0,"-",F29+E30+D30) =IF(C30=0,"-",F30*0.5) =IF(C30=0,"-",IF(H29>G30,"YES","NO")) 28 =IF(C30=0,"-",G30-H29)
              29 Blank =IF(B31=0,"-",B31-C30) =IF(B31=0,"-",F30+E31+D31) =IF(B31=0,"-",E31+H29) 29
              30 Blank =IF(C32=0,"-",C32-B31) =IF(C32=0,"-",F31+E32+D32) =IF(C32=0,"-",F32*0.5) =IF(C32=0,"-",IF(H31>G32,"YES","NO")) 30 =IF(C32=0,"-",G32-H31)

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              • #52
                Originally posted by Mantaforce View Post
                I just track my days in a word document every so often. I'm no use with excel. I'll have the my 183 days out of the country at the end of it but my chief officer seems to think that I can't do two months at home and then two months at sea and still claim? He seems to think it should be the other way around?

                Does it not matter how I get my days out, as long as I have 183 days out at the end.
                If you copy and paste that table I posted into excel and put all your dates in and out of the country from when your claim started in then you can figure out how long you can stay at home before breaking the half day rule. Put your date of departure in column A then return in column B. Leave all the other cells alone and it will display all the information you need. In column A and B don't put anything in cells that say Blank. Column H should always say NO for your claim period to continue, if it ever says YES you need to start a new claim period.

                Remember you can count all your holidays and other non-seafaring time out of the country as well for days during your claim period, there is no limit on how many of those days you can use. You hear some laymen say there is a limit, but there isn't actually.

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                • #53
                  Originally posted by GarnetWomack View Post
                  If you copy and paste that table I posted into excel and put all your dates in and out of the country from when your claim started in then you can figure out how long you can stay at home before breaking the half day rule. Put your date of departure in column A then return in column B. Leave all the other cells alone and it will display all the information you need. In column A and B don't put anything in cells that say Blank. Column H should always say NO for your claim period to continue, if it ever says YES you need to start a new claim period.

                  Remember you can count all your holidays and other non-seafaring time out of the country as well for days during your claim period, there is no limit on how many of those days you can use. You hear some laymen say there is a limit, but there isn't actually.
                  Thanks for that. I have used the table in excel and I am getting yes in the final column. From 06-04-17 to 06-04-18 I will be short 1.5 days. But am I correct in thinking I can use spare days from previous years? If so, I currently have 19 spare, so would I just lose a couple of these and have 17 spare going in to the next tax year?

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                  • #54
                    Don't just do the table for this tax year. Do it right from the very start of your career at sea and include every trip and all holidays or other times when you were out of the UK and see what it comes out with.

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                    • #55
                      Originally posted by EH75 View Post
                      Don't just do the table for this tax year. Do it right from the very start of your career at sea and include every trip and all holidays or other times when you were out of the UK and see what it comes out with.
                      Cheers for the help. Got there in the end, put in all my trips from June 2013. I'm on standby ships so there's a hell of a lot with it being month on/month off 😂! Apparently I have 19 days to spare so I'm happy enough with that.

                      Thanks for the replies guys and the help.

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                      • #56
                        Was told ther other day that extra days from previous years can no longer be carried forward. Anyone know if this is true?

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                        • #57
                          https://www.gov.uk/government/public...elpsheet/hs205

                          Nothing seems to have changed from last years help sheet. So I will still be carrying forward.
                          Former TH cadet with experience of cruise ships, buoy tenders, research ships and oil tankers

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                          • #58
                            Quick Question,
                            First timer doing the return, already on the NT code so hoping it all works out.

                            On the form, for SED, it says enter the total amount:
                            Used the wokring sheet and i have the qualifying periods, will this figure just be the total income as stated on the p60?
                            Im right in thinking the 365 period is strecthed across tax years, does this include e.g the first year you start so for 16-17 tax year im filling in now, the 365day period streches into 17-18 and ahead, im NT already so presuming this is ok.

                            Hope that makes some sense to someone. Any help is appreciated.
                            Cheers


                            Thanks.

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                            • #59
                              What date does your running total of all days pass 365?

                              Assuming it was 5th April 2017, then the entire 2016-2017 tax year (6/4/16 to 5/4/17) would be eligible for SED relief which will equal the total income on the 2016-2017 p60.

                              If it was today 22nd Dec 2017 then your pay from 22nd Dec 2016 until 5th April 2017 would be eligible for SED relief. I would pro rate it by the number of days (104 /365) x total income from p60 form. Thats the amount you can then claim back. etc.
                              Former TH cadet with experience of cruise ships, buoy tenders, research ships and oil tankers

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                              • #60
                                Im assuming your talking about the 2016-2017 tax year by the way. You can put in your claim for the 2017-2018 year from 6th April 2018 if youre confident you wont lose your eligibility for SED.
                                Former TH cadet with experience of cruise ships, buoy tenders, research ships and oil tankers

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