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  • Anyone remember the time before Sat Nav?

    Hi everyone,

    Just thought I would pop in and say hello.

    I am an ex Deck Officer who has recently had old memories revived as my son, who is just finishing his A levels, has just got a sponsorship to do his foundation degree as a deckie starting in the summer. Because we had spoken so extensively about my life at sea he only had one application, one interview and was offered one job. Someone else he knew failed to get past an interview so I stepped in and offered to coach him for his interviews and he got 2 offers out of his next 2 interviews. Because of this I have now become an Ambassador for the MNTB and I will now go into schools locally and help those who want to go away to sea in the MN.

    Me? Deck cadet with Ocean Fleets, trained in Liverpool back in the early 80?s at Riversdale College (now a housing estate!) and was lucky to do time on every type of ship except cruise ships. Went to Maersk and eventually left the sea after a bad accident on an anchor handler made me realise that Maersk?s new offshore contract was not tempting enough to take the risks! Most loved my time on Anchor Handlers and the Barber Line Ro-ro?s. I was also lucky enough that my first trip was on a 25 year old Glen Line General Cargo ship with a Stulken derrick, tween decks, latex tanks and eight days in port!
    For the last 24 years I have been running my own businesses, as well as running them for other people on occasions, but still have the salt in my blood.

    So why am I here? I have seen many comments and questions I might have chipped in on but also have some questions of my own to set things in my own mind right if I am going to help people who want to go away to sea.

    So hopefully I will see you around the forums, and just remember for all you suffering a few nerves about going away to sea for the first time and not making a pillock of yourself ? we all did it!
    "Any damn fool can navigate the world sober. It takes a really good sailor to do it drunk." - Sir Francis Chichester.
    "Waves are not measured in feet or inches, they are measured in increments of fear." - Buzzy Trent

    "Careers at Sea" Ambassador - Experience of General Cargo, Combo ships, Tanker, Product Carrier, Gas Carrier, Ro-Ro, Reefer Container, Anchor Handlers.

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    welcome to the forum, I'm a big fan of technology but can still navigate with a road atlas.
    Former TH cadet with experience of cruise ships, buoy tenders, research ships and oil tankers

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    • #3
      Hi Hatchorder, Welcome onboard and may I just say, I love the quotes in your signature Ask away, we'll answer as best we can. We don't pretend to know everything, many of us are only newly qualified or still cadets, though we also have elder and more experienced members too. It's a level playing field here, we believe everyone has something to contribute and all opinions are valid, although we draw the line if things become personal or offensive. As for navigating without sat nav, that happened to me just the other night! S4

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      • #4
        Originally posted by size4riggerboots View Post
        Hi Hatchorder, Welcome onboard and may I just say, I love the quotes in your signature
        Thank you.

        The first used to be a common occurance in my day. Remember coming off watch at midnight one night to find the C/O laying in the bar with his head in the fridge saying he was trying to gas himself! There were 2 empty 3 litre wine boxes on the bar. Needless to say I went up to the bridge and told the 2/O to call me at 6am to cover the second half of the C/O's watch. Unfortunately the Captain walked onto the bridge at 6:30..... No need for an alcohol test the C/O was passed out in his shower still!

        Normally he only drank one winebox at a time!

        Wonder if anyone still carries over 1000 charts with a worldwide folio these days? Remember crying when the Captain handed me 13 weeks of corrections, but our company were nice, at least they paid for the tracings!

        Do you still do chart and pilot book corrections on board these days or is my set of 3 Rotring 0.2 pens fit for the bin?

        As to the second quote - anyone who says they are not wary or afraid of the sea is either stupid, lying or never seen the entire pipework ripped off the deck of a 52,000 ton tanker and bent 2 foot sideways!

        At least we had long periods in port to compensate....... "Pat O Brien's" in New Orleans got me the only carpeting by the Old Man for not being fit for duty after trying with a group of other officers to drink our way through the cocktail menu. Only got to number 52 on the list (Between 9 of us!). However, there were 8 other people getting the bollocking with me at the time. LOL.
        "Any damn fool can navigate the world sober. It takes a really good sailor to do it drunk." - Sir Francis Chichester.
        "Waves are not measured in feet or inches, they are measured in increments of fear." - Buzzy Trent

        "Careers at Sea" Ambassador - Experience of General Cargo, Combo ships, Tanker, Product Carrier, Gas Carrier, Ro-Ro, Reefer Container, Anchor Handlers.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by Hatchorder View Post
          Wonder if anyone still carries over 1000 charts with a worldwide folio these days? Remember crying when the Captain handed me 13 weeks of corrections, but our company were nice, at least they paid for the tracings!
          I was that unlucky, the last ship carried full world folio of charts (not just the world folio, pretty much every chart) and a load of Norwegian Charts as well - to make matters worse we received paper copies of the corrections (and the tracing books) from Kelvin Hughes which tended to arrive in batches of 4 weeks in one!

          Thankfully present ship (like all the others I have been on) only carries around 100 charts and have one of the many computerised systems for chart corrections so we just print off the tracings we need each week

          Do you still do chart and pilot book corrections on board these days or is my set of 3 Rotring 0.2 pens fit for the bin?
          Chart corrections yes - as for pilot book corrections I guess it depends on what the onboard system is - all the ships I've been on have just stapled them to the back of the book or put them in a separate folder.
          ?Twenty years from now you will be more disappointed by the things you didn?t do than by the ones you did do. So throw off the bowlines, sail away from the safe harbor. Catch the trade winds in your sails. Explore. Dream. Discover.?

          ? Mark Twain
          myBlog | @alistairuk | flickr | youtube Views and opinions expressed are those of myself and not representative of any employer or other associated party.

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          • #6
            Hello Hatchorder, Welcome to OfficerCader. It seems that your knowledge and experience are going to be invaluable to so many people so thank you for joining and thanks in advance for answering all the questions I am bound to ask you!

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            • #7
              Originally posted by alistairuk View Post
              Chart corrections yes - as for pilot book corrections I guess it depends on what the onboard system is - all the ships I've been on have just stapled them to the back of the book or put them in a separate folder.
              Blimey, easy life! We had to cut the little strips of paper out and get the pritt stick out and stick them in! Actually I would have thought that all the pilot books were electronic these days....

              Ian
              "Any damn fool can navigate the world sober. It takes a really good sailor to do it drunk." - Sir Francis Chichester.
              "Waves are not measured in feet or inches, they are measured in increments of fear." - Buzzy Trent

              "Careers at Sea" Ambassador - Experience of General Cargo, Combo ships, Tanker, Product Carrier, Gas Carrier, Ro-Ro, Reefer Container, Anchor Handlers.

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              • #8
                All our ships still use the pritt stick system!

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Ganner View Post
                  Hello Hatchorder, Welcome to OfficerCader. It seems that your knowledge and experience are going to be invaluable to so many people so thank you for joining and thanks in advance for answering all the questions I am bound to ask you!
                  So what do you want to know about Decca, Loran C, Omega (Accurate to 2 miles on a good day, which was better than my first star sight, which gave me a cocked hat 400 miles across, and put us right in the suburbs of Paris!)?

                  How about lashing cargo in tween decks using Spanish Windlasses or how to rig 2 derricks in a union purchase and repair a wire with a long splice?

                  King beams, Queen Beams and dogging down canvas hatch covers?

                  Bang up to date me - I'm yer man! LOL

                  Thanks for the welcome. Hope I will be able to help.

                  Ian
                  "Any damn fool can navigate the world sober. It takes a really good sailor to do it drunk." - Sir Francis Chichester.
                  "Waves are not measured in feet or inches, they are measured in increments of fear." - Buzzy Trent

                  "Careers at Sea" Ambassador - Experience of General Cargo, Combo ships, Tanker, Product Carrier, Gas Carrier, Ro-Ro, Reefer Container, Anchor Handlers.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Hatchorder View Post
                    Blimey, easy life! We had to cut the little strips of paper out and get the pritt stick out and stick them in! Actually I would have thought that all the pilot books were electronic these days....

                    Ian
                    ALL and ALRS are in Electronic Form these days (thankfully we carry them) as well as TotalTide... Far as I am aware theres no approved electronic copy of the ASD's... (I stand to be corrected)
                    ?Twenty years from now you will be more disappointed by the things you didn?t do than by the ones you did do. So throw off the bowlines, sail away from the safe harbor. Catch the trade winds in your sails. Explore. Dream. Discover.?

                    ? Mark Twain
                    myBlog | @alistairuk | flickr | youtube Views and opinions expressed are those of myself and not representative of any employer or other associated party.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Hatchorder View Post
                      Decca, Loran C, Omega
                      Hey! Loran-C doesn't belong in there.

                      Wait, the yanks have switched theirs off? Maybe it does.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by alistairuk View Post
                        ALRS are in Electronic Form these days
                        Them's the buggers! Bright green and hundreds of them with millions of strips of corrections stuck in them. [GROAN!]. I really hated them.
                        "Any damn fool can navigate the world sober. It takes a really good sailor to do it drunk." - Sir Francis Chichester.
                        "Waves are not measured in feet or inches, they are measured in increments of fear." - Buzzy Trent

                        "Careers at Sea" Ambassador - Experience of General Cargo, Combo ships, Tanker, Product Carrier, Gas Carrier, Ro-Ro, Reefer Container, Anchor Handlers.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Steve View Post
                          Hey! Loran-C doesn't belong in there.

                          Wait, the yanks have switched theirs off? Maybe it does.
                          It belonged in the bin back then from what I remember. Transmitters failing, secondaries losing signals, atmospherics causing innacuracies and charts covered in lines. Euch! Decca charts were far more pretty! I loved Decca. lol.
                          "Any damn fool can navigate the world sober. It takes a really good sailor to do it drunk." - Sir Francis Chichester.
                          "Waves are not measured in feet or inches, they are measured in increments of fear." - Buzzy Trent

                          "Careers at Sea" Ambassador - Experience of General Cargo, Combo ships, Tanker, Product Carrier, Gas Carrier, Ro-Ro, Reefer Container, Anchor Handlers.

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                          • #14
                            I've had good results from Loran-C in European waters. The Arabian chain never seemed to work though.

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                            • #15
                              Here is a question for you. Do you still pack hundreds of tins of condensed milk into the lifeboats? Used to be lovely once they had caramelised when they were out of date and you would stick them in the suez mess (still called that?) with a load of spoons in......... mmmmmmmmmmmmmm,

                              Ian
                              "Any damn fool can navigate the world sober. It takes a really good sailor to do it drunk." - Sir Francis Chichester.
                              "Waves are not measured in feet or inches, they are measured in increments of fear." - Buzzy Trent

                              "Careers at Sea" Ambassador - Experience of General Cargo, Combo ships, Tanker, Product Carrier, Gas Carrier, Ro-Ro, Reefer Container, Anchor Handlers.

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