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  • Seatime Problems

    So,
    I have just been made aware to the fact, by my training company, that I will have to do a 18 month sea phase 4 due to the fact that "there isn't any berths for you, sorry."

    What rights do I have? What should I do?

  • #2
    Has happened to loads of people I know. Not much you can do except get on with it really. But of a pain like but you're certainly not the only one in that situation.

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    • #3
      I thought i was the only one i was told the same thing
      Last edited by Randomist; 19 July 2013, 03:34 PM. Reason: Removed company name

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      • #4
        I'm going to take a wild stab in the dark and guess you're with either North Star or Vroon? All the guys I know with them got backphased.

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        • #5
          Time to contact Nautilus, if your a deckie join the honourable company of master mariners (it's free) and ask them for help.

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          • #6
            Vroon.... I've sailed a chief mate with them on a temp contract, they have an interesting way of working.

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            • #7
              If I where to contact Nautilus, what would they achieve other than getting my company training officer to hate me even more?

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              • #8
                Honestly I doubt there is much that can be done about it. If they don't have enough berths then they don't have enough berths. Having said that I think companies should be obliged to get all their cadets sea time in within the allocated time. Maybe a financial penalty for companies that don't might get them to sort themselves out. Won't hold my breath for that right enough...

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by EH75 View Post
                  Honestly I doubt there is much that can be done about it. If they don't have enough berths then they don't have enough berths. Having said that I think companies should be obliged to get all their cadets sea time in within the allocated time. Maybe a financial penalty for companies that don't might get them to sort themselves out. Won't hold my breath for that right enough...
                  Should they not be obligated to put me with a different company? After all they are punishing me for the screw up.

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                  • #10
                    Ah but the question is why would the other company want to take you? Your actual sponsoring company will already be getting all the tonnage tax benefits so what would be the benefit to any other company taking you?

                    Crap situation I know but that's the reality.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by EH75 View Post
                      Ah but the question is why would the other company want to take you? Your actual sponsoring company will already be getting all the tonnage tax benefits so what would be the benefit to any other company taking you?

                      Crap situation I know but that's the reality.
                      I do know a cadet with another small offshore company that had so little berths he wasn't going to be getting a trip in phase 2 so they put him on ferries instead. So it is possible.

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                      • #12
                        Have aa look at your training agreement. It's a contract after all.

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                        • #13
                          If its anything like my contract, it will be vague on anything useful for cadets.
                          Former TH cadet with experience of cruise ships, buoy tenders, research ships and oil tankers

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                          • #14
                            Hi folks!

                            Right, a few small points/questions for those moaning: -

                            1) How much sea-time do you have currently?

                            2) The fact that there are no berths is not the training agencies fault. Sometimes there just are no berths available at that time for operational reasons.

                            3) Nautilus probably won't be interested as it's not a contract dispute and it won't get them any media air time.

                            4) What is the problem with the 18 month phase 4? More time off, more time on board, you slightly better prepared for Orals.

                            5) Whilst it is possible to put you on a ship with another company, it costs the training agency/sponsor money and it can only happen if that company happens to have space on their ship for you.
                            I love deadlines. I like the whooshing sound they make as they fly by.....

                            All posts here represent my own opinion and not that of my employer.

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                            • #15
                              In an ideal world this doesn't happy but like EH75 said it is a pretty common occurrence certainly with offshore companies. There is some policy they have such as you cannot do more than 1 back to back trip on a Standby vessel ... more for your sanity than anything else!

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