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  • do you need a coc ticket for each position on board a ship?

    hi guys i have just started hnc deck cadetship and was wondering to go up to ranks like from 3rd, 2nd, 1st, chief and master do you need to come back to college and do a new ticket every time or is your first ticket good up to chief and master ? cant you just not work your through from say 4th officer to first officer with promotions? also can you please someone explain whats the difference between hnc and hnd they have tried it here but no one really understand it it seems everyone gets the same ticket coc unlimited so whats the difference somehow hnd gives you some examptions but what is it exactly? thanks in advance

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    In the UK there are three basic tickets for Deck Officer; OOW (Officer of the Watch), Chief Mate and Master. There are also different variants of those varying from Unlimited (large ships) down to 500GT (small ships). If you complete a cadetship with an OOW ticket you can legally sail as 4th, 3rd, 2nd and 1st Officer (on a ship that has a Chief Officer), and then you'll return to college for 3 months to do the Chief Mates and then again for 6 weeks to do the Masters. You'll a bit of seatime between those. Incidently with an OOW ticket you can have it endorsed for 3000gt Chief Mate and a Chief Mates Unlimited ticket can be endorsed for Masters 3000gt (with 12 months seatime).
    In reality you often need a Chief Mates ticket for a 2/O or 1/O position and a Masters ticket for a Chief Officer position according to most companies policies. Some countries have a different system which involves never returning to college (Dutch system if I recall)

    So essentially:

    OOW
    Chief Mate
    Master

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    • #3
      Does size not have an implication on your rank? With the EOOW you can be a 2nd Eng/Chief Engineer if the engine is below a certain size?
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      • #4
        AM did say that in his post, OOW can be choff on a <3000gt, and I think master on <500gt, with the appropriate endorsements.
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        • #5
          With the OOW Unlimited ticket you can only sail as OOW, you can get the endorsements added and in fact go up to 3000gt as Master with an oral. But I don't think it's quite as straightforward as the Engineering tickets.

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          • #6
            HNC covers college work up to OOW level. When you go for your mates course, it will take three academic terms to complete.

            HND covers college work to mates level. Mates course is three months long.

            FD covers college work to mates level and provides (currently) exemptions from SQA written exams. Mates course is a few weeks long.

            Basically, all courses lead to the OOW ticket. HND and FD cover the academic side of the higher tickets during the cadetship.
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            • #7
              There is a diagram on page 4 of MGN 92 detailing the intricate web of different deck CoCs available: http://www.dft.gov.uk/mca/mgn_092%28m%29.pdf

              Originally posted by AncientMariner View Post
              With the OOW Unlimited ticket you can only sail as OOW, you can get the endorsements added and in fact go up to 3000gt as Master with an oral.
              Master <3000gt unlimited/>3000gt near-coastal is a Chief Mate's + time. Master <3000gt domestic passenger vessels is OOW + time + orals (via Master <500gt near-coastal).

              Originally posted by GuinnessMan View Post
              With the EOOW you can be a 2nd Eng/Chief Engineer if the engine is below a certain size?
              Are you sure? I mean, with just a straight EOOW Unlimited Reg. III/1? MGN 93 may be out of date (it's all VQ orientated), but it implies that 2nd <3000kW and Chief <3000kW each require at least additional sea time and oral exams. It should say on your CoC exactly what it's good for, though for positions requiring additional sea time (only) you may have to send it to MCA for endorsement, I'm not sure as I've never bothered. What does yours say?

              Edit: There's a bit more on Engineers in MIN 251: http://www.dft.gov.uk/mca/mgn_251_amendments_to_eng.pdf
              Last edited by Steve; 22 September 2012, 11:36 AM. Reason: Found MIN 251

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