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    Hello, I wanted to ask a question regarding the drugs tests.

    Does anyone know if the test detects nootropics (like Piracetam) and if so, would that be grounds for being kicked from the course?

    This is assuming you do not have a prescription for it.

    Asking because the laws around it seem really grey in the UK, so I'm not really sure how it would be received in the merchant navy.

    If no one knows whether or not it would be acceptable, is there anywhere else I could ask?

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    Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
    Hello, I wanted to ask a question regarding the drugs tests.

    Does anyone know if the test detects nootropics (like Piracetam) and if so, would that be grounds for being kicked from the course?

    This is assuming you do not have a prescription for it.

    Asking because the laws around it seem really grey in the UK, so I'm not really sure how it would be received in the merchant navy.

    If no one knows whether or not it would be acceptable, is there anywhere else I could ask?
    If its a controlled drug (i.e.: Prescription only in the UK) and you don't have a prescription then I would say - probably.

    Although from a quick look at what it's primarily used for - I would of thought most of those conditions would be grounds for failing to get an ENG-1.
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    • #3
      I think if theres no prescription, the op has probably not got one for the medical issues.

      Theres a good chance it will show up but what shows depends on exactly what they are testing for ( different tests and emzynes show up different things) so its probably a good to say yes.

      On the plus side most drugs dont take long to clear the system (although that changes with regular use) so stopping should get you through the first one and then your fine from the word go. does mean that you cant take anything while your a cadet as random tests would casue a problem but if its something you have done in the past you should be ok to get into it. saying that if youve just had a test you may well be in a different boat
      you can take it with a pinch of salt, but i prefer it with a nip of whisky

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      • #4
        Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
        Hello, I wanted to ask a question regarding the drugs tests.

        Does anyone know if the test detects nootropics (like Piracetam) and if so, would that be grounds for being kicked from the course?

        This is assuming you do not have a prescription for it.

        Asking because the laws around it seem really grey in the UK, so I'm not really sure how it would be received in the merchant navy.

        If no one knows whether or not it would be acceptable, is there anywhere else I could ask?
        Why exactly are you taking it?
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        • #5
          Different drugs tests pick up different things, it depends what they are testing for, but I don't think you need to do one unless your company specifies? The ENG1 medical doesn't include one, well at least mine didn't.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Bulman View Post
            Different drugs tests pick up different things, it depends what they are testing for, but I don't think you need to do one unless your company specifies? The ENG1 medical doesn't include one, well at least mine didn't.
            You'll do one on arrival and then at random intervals afterwards...
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            • #7
              Originally posted by GuinnessMan View Post
              You'll do one on arrival and then at random intervals afterwards...
              unless some colleges enforce their own tests my experience has been that D&A tests are compnay issues and as such vary between doing them and none at all. But yeah its not part of the remit of an ENG1.

              Theres also the arguement that if they tested you on day one and you failed you still havent broken the contract, as they cant control what you do before you were a cadet, (buts its not an arguement that i would like to try and win with)
              you can take it with a pinch of salt, but i prefer it with a nip of whisky

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              • #8
                Originally posted by ETwhat? View Post
                Theres also the arguement that if they tested you on day one and you failed you still havent broken the contract, as they cant control what you do before you were a cadet, (buts its not an arguement that i would like to try and win with)
                The army has a similar policy, in that you could be snorting cocaine off a strippers tits as you got off the train to start basic training, but as you hadn't sworn the oath of allegiance or signed your enlistment papers you wouldn't be liable to disciplinary action, although you would have a big black mark next to your name.
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                • #9
                  Originally posted by ETwhat? View Post
                  unless some colleges enforce their own tests my experience has been that D&A tests are compnay issues and as such vary between doing them and none at all. But yeah its not part of the remit of an ENG1.

                  Theres also the arguement that if they tested you on day one and you failed you still havent broken the contract, as they cant control what you do before you were a cadet, (buts its not an arguement that i would like to try and win with)
                  Yeah, you're not going to win that argument, I saw it tried...
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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Ducki52 View Post
                    The army has a similar policy, in that you could be snorting cocaine off a strippers tits as you got off the train to start basic training, but as you hadn't sworn the oath of allegiance or signed your enlistment papers you wouldn't be liable to disciplinary action, although you would have a big black mark next to your name.
                    I dated a stripper/dancer for a while that was an interesting time
                    you can take it with a pinch of salt, but i prefer it with a nip of whisky

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by ETwhat? View Post
                      I dated a stripper/dancer for a while that was an interesting time
                      We hope you took pictures...
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                      • #12
                        haha you really dont
                        you can take it with a pinch of salt, but i prefer it with a nip of whisky

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by ETwhat? View Post
                          haha you really dont
                          We do! We do!

                          (Ducki, Hatchorder, Chiefy, anyone second me!)
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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by GuinnessMan View Post
                            We do! We do!

                            (Ducki, Hatchorder, Chiefy, anyone second me!)
                            ^ Second that man..... What have I just volunteered for?
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                            • #15
                              Just to drag back onto topic for a moment... Stop groaning GuinnessMan.

                              Having just enlightened myself about this drug, I believe it to be a drug to help boost "brain power" or "thinking" for want of a better term. Is it just me or is the thought of someone having to rely on these things to get through exams, college etc. and then get to sea and suffer from a reboot of the brain because they have missed taking their dose horrific.

                              I don't think I woult want to know that the junior bus driver or the junior gingerbeer could not cope with being on their own in an increasingly stressful situation if things get a bit hairy on watch and forget the first rule of junior watchkeeping to call the Old Man or The Chief.

                              Or am I just being a prude?

                              Ian.
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