Really Scared about Final Exams and Collision Avoidance

[ETwhat?]

What is apparent from this is who ever made up the question (and im guessing that it was another cadet ) doesn't actually understand the situations that different conditions require, especially NUC, towing and CBD (not to be confused with CBA)

As for a tow crashing into the back of you, its possible, but would depend on the weather, length of tow, size of the fishing boat, speed you were going at. however its reasonably unlikely even if it does get to you to be 'crashing' more bumping

[Steve]

(Unless for some reason it has lost control of its engines and rudder - in which case you would have expected the captain to walk on the bridge and hit Emergency Stop / Any of the engineers to have cut the fuel supply .:. it wouldn't be over taking you).

There are other possibilities. For example, a vessel NUC is being blown to leeward faster than the vessel being overtaken. Convoluted, but that's the theme here.

[alistairuk]

That was exactly what I said: STOP!

But then somebody pointed out as since the fishing vessel is Not Under Command it would crash into the back of you since you are towing it.

I have come to the conclusion that its impossible I think.

Amanda

The Fishing Vessel is a vessel being towed - it is not "NUC".

Also, it is highly (although there are conceivably possibilities where it may occur) unlikely that a vessel NUC would be overtaking you, since that's a bit of a contradiction... if its able to overtake you then it can clearly manoeuvre - and is therefore NOT NUC. (Unless for some reason it has lost control of its engines and rudder - in which case you would have expected the captain to walk on the bridge and hit Emergency Stop / Any of the engineers to have cut the fuel supply .:. it wouldn't be over taking you).

In the highly unlikely event this question is ever asked, the sole answer they would expect from you is "Call the master" - if you say anything else you will most likely fail.

That was exactly what I said: STOP!

But then somebody pointed out as since the fishing vessel is Not Under Command it would crash into the back of you since you are towing it.

I have come to the conclusion that its impossible I think.

Amanda

[Ducki52]

Jesus christ, that looks like something Starfleet would give to Kirk whilst he was in the Kobayishi Maru, just to finally spite the bugger.

[alistairuk]

Firstly, if you are genuine, then whoever gave you this question is taking the piss - it is far beyond OOW level and your answer should simply be ?Call the master?.

Parts of it also do not make any sense, but to sum up the best course of action; STOP your vessel and let them all pass you by.

This question is just nonsense wth somebody trying to find the most complicated and impossible scenario imaginable.

[size4riggerboots]

As the OOW in this situation there is only one thing you should be doing - CALL THE MASTER!! He should be on the bridge anyway in restricted waters. If you're towing a fishing vessel it won't be trawling, the Captain of your vessel would certainly have made sure they brought their nets in, or cut them if unable to haul them. It doesn't count as NUC as it is being towed so should only have it's side and stern lights on.

If unsure about another vessels intentions - 5 short and rapid blasts (supplemented by the signalling light). Then...

You could sound one short blast and go to stbd and parallel the crossing vessels course, as there is nothing on your stbd side, you could also sound three short blasts and slow down to allow more time to assess the situation and let the other vessel pass ahead, the NUC passing you on your port side does not present a risk of collision, . You say you have the "option" to use CBD lights, this doesn't really wash with me, either you are too big to manouvre out of the channel limits, or you're not. As the OOW you should be well aware of your draught in relation to the available depth of water and be able to make a quick chart assessment to see if you can go out of the channel limits.

As Steve says, 2b applies, it's still partly your fault if you crash, even if you stuck to the rules religiously!!

This will NEVER come up in an Orals, so don't worry, concentrate on single vessel situations, lights, shapes, buoyage, sound and light signals etc, how to launch boats and rafts, initial actions in an emergency (ALWAYS call the master!) and the basics. They're not going to try and catch you out, they just want to know that you can do the basics safely and are not afraid to admit you're out of your depth and CALL THE MASTER!!

[ETwhat?]

There's also not enough in the scene to work out a plausible response. the overtaking vessel will look after itself ti some degree. but the crossing vessel with a cpa of zero doesn't tell you what options you have to. as you have no idea how much time you have. it does seem to be someone trying to find a really complex test that as people say is well beyond the level needed. personally though i would drop the tow as a first option

Yes I'm still confused. From what I understand:

The vessel overtaking me on the port side is obliged to keep out of my way beacuse rule 13 states:

"any vessel overtaking any other shall keep out of the way of the vessel being overtaken."

So this means the NUC ovrtaking vessel must keep out of my way.

But what I'm really confused about is who is obliged to give way to who and especially since the dredger has two red lights meaning I cannot approach it on that side.

Thanks for all your help so far guys!

Amanda.

[HolyNougat]

You will not get asked anything like that in OOW, or mates or masters in my experience. I know it's easy to get panicked about the orals, but don't waste time worrying about convoluted situations, when it comes to ROR questions be confident, have a standard answer structure, think about your answer first, always come across as cautious and never be afraid to throw in 'call the master' as soon as any other vessel starts doing something strange!

[AlternativeNavs]

Tip:

Never forget it! If in doubt....Call the Master!

The examiner will not object to this statement, unless you are in for a Master oral, if the situation warrants doubt. The example given is one that you would be expected to call the Master in.


Some of us may display a level of over confidence and arrogance when it comes to calling the Master in some situations... If so... I am sure the examiner will put you in your place. Oh and send you away with a invite to return..

[Steve]

I can't see anything in the rules about RAM being "less important" than NUC.

It is implied in the definitions. RAM is "restricted", NUC is "unable". NUC is top of the hierarchy as it, by definition, has no options.

In fact, my reading of the situation is that everyone has to keep out ot the way of everyone, in which case the safest bet might be the college favourite (apparently not popular with MCA) of a full 360 turn to starboard if searoom permits.

Technically correct, there is no clear give-way in this scenario. The overtaking vessel is required to keep out of the way, but by definition cannot, something of a known contradiction within the rules and a case to apply Rule 2(b). However there is no stated risk of collision with the overtaking NUC.

I think you've missed the "restricted limits" and CBD bit, making a round turn, and probably any bold manoeuvre, implausible. I assume the overtaking vessel is intended to discourage a reduction in speed. Can't turn + can't reduce speed = no options. (Disregarding an increase in speed!)

A round turn is a bad answer as you may just end up exactly where you started (definite in the absolute sense, possible in the relative), but a bold alteration turning your stern to the problem may go down better with the MCA, depending on the exact question and circumstances.

Kobayashi Maru.

[Steve]

The OP or her classmates are taking the piss.

This is not the standard of question to expect at a an MCA OOW orals examination. It is too convoluted even for realistic Master's level.

It is a deliberate no-win scenario. Rule 2(b) applies. Do whatever you have to do to avoid immediate danger or minimise the effects of the inevitable collision/grounding.

[CharlieDelta]

Hmmm, that's a difficult one.

I can't see anything in the rules about RAM being "less important" than NUC. In fact, my reading of the situation is that everyone has to keep out ot the way of everyone, in which case the safest bet might be the college favourite (apparently not popular with MCA) of a full 360 turn to starboard if searoom permits.

I am, most likely, wrong though!