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    I'm finding college is a struggle with maths and physics. I'm in the FD class, but does anybody ever drop down to the HN class? I'm scared to ask my company in case they stop my cadetship.

    Note from CD: Edited slightly to make a bit more readable.
    Last edited by CharlieDelta; 18 January 2012, 06:16 PM.

  • #2
    Hi, I was told by a recruitment officer that the only reason sponsors prefer cadets to be on the FD is because it’s shorter (and therefore ever so slightly cheaper). Your sponsor has already invested a lot in you and they probably won’t want to get rid of you anymore than you want to leave; get in touch with them and explain the situation.

    For what its worth I’m starting the FD at Fleetwood in a couple of weeks and I have no A level maths or physics, and I can tell you, if I struggle with the FD I will be on the phone to SSTG requesting a move to the HND!

    Good luck and do let us know how you go on.

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    • #3
      For what its worth, a bit of tutoring may be a sound investment either from your college or if a few of you are struggling, each chip in a couple of quid for a private tutor between you for a few hours to get you upto scratch. I'm only suggesting that because you will save yourself from going back to college in future if you wish to progress. FD provides Mates ticket exemptions so all you need is sea time, HND does not so you would have to go back to college for a good few months before you could take your mates ticket.

      When it comes to Maths and Physics, take it from me as someone who initially struggled with Maths and Physics A-Level but done fairly well in the end, its like a "snowball effect" the initial beginning of understanding anything is the hardest as you are unfamiliar. Maths was initially a struggle as it was very theory-laden with little real world context I thought, physics has very useful real world applications, the trick with it is understanding the simple bits first.

      One way is to read your notes but re-write them in your own way so that you understand them. This will help you to no-end. Create and draw diagrams yourself to simplify complex text into easy pictures. Watch youtube videos.

      The main area of physics involved in the course is mechanics (movement of objects) and thermodynamics (heat pressure etc.) so watch a few videos. Its all very simple if you can reason it yourself, college curriculums never tell you the leymans answers but once you figure out the simplicity of whats going on yourself you'll have cracked it!

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      • #4
        Ask your advisor of studies/head lecturer if there is any extra help available and explain exactly what you are having difficulty with; it's not in their interest to have cadets dropping out/failing and they will be best placed to offer help or direct you to other sources of assistance. Unsurprisingly they will have dealt with this problem before!

        Have you made any good friends on the course? Perhaps they are having problems too, not necessarily with the same stuff. Ask them if they will help you work at the problem areas; group study can be very effective for digesting something you haven't quite grasped in a lecture, and the notes perhaps aren't as clear as they might be.
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        • #5
          Originally posted by danielbv07 View Post
          Hi, I was told by a recruitment officer that the only reason sponsors prefer cadets to be on the FD is because it’s shorter (and therefore ever so slightly cheaper). Your sponsor has already invested a lot in you and they probably won’t want to get rid of you anymore than you want to leave; get in touch with them and explain the situation.
          It's not cheaper or shorter (I know, I had to investigate it for some cadets in my previous company)...

          To the OP, you can drop down to HNC/D, but first try and get as much help in college as you can before you drop down.
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          • #6
            Originally posted by EFC92 View Post
            FD provides Mates ticket exemptions so all you need is sea time, HND does not so you would have to go back to college for a good few months before you could take your mates ticket.
            Not entirely correct.

            FD provides exemptions from Chief Mate SQA exams. For this reason, post-HND the Chief Mate course is slightly (by a few weeks, not months) longer to accomodate SQA preparation. All the theory is covered during the cadetship. It's only post-HNC where the 9 month Mates course is needed.
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            • #7
              Originally posted by GuinnessMan View Post
              It's not cheaper or shorter (I know, I had to investigate it for some cadets in my previous company)...
              I was told by SSTG in my interview that the FD route was some three months shorter than the HND route and as a result was cheaper. The former seems to be backed up by the sample training schedule here.

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              • #8
                The Warsash HND course is a few months longer than the FD for deck cadets, though both go for orals at about the same time.
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                • #9
                  just to back up the original, ask the college if they have remedial classes, ie extra classes usually at night that cover the subjects you are having trouble with, might not be called remedial classes any more since the world went PC.

                  It is worth the time and effort or do what I did, get a brain GF who had A level maths and physics and get home schooling
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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by CharlieDelta View Post
                    Not entirely correct.

                    FD provides exemptions from Chief Mate SQA exams. For this reason, post-HND the Chief Mate course is slightly (by a few weeks, not months) longer to accomodate SQA preparation. All the theory is covered during the cadetship. It's only post-HNC where the 9 month Mates course is needed.
                    Actually... that depends on what college!

                    If you completed FdDg at Warsash you do NOT have to return to college again - the only requirement is that you need to have NARAS(M), MFA and your MCA Signals Certificate (it only lasts 2 years so you need to do this again)...

                    The "Chief Mates course" for post FdDg at Warsash is 8 weeks - of that 1 week = NARAS(M), the other 7 weeks are optional revision lectures (given that its only a few ?100 more than doing NARAS(M) on its own, its worthwhile doing the 7 weeks revision too but this is entirely optional).
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                    • #11
                      Fair enough, most people seem to do the full course anyway given the amount you're bound to forget in the three-odd years.
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