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    I am just back from my first trip out at sea and unfortunately things didn't go as well as I had planned, decided it would be better to leave and do something else, I am a Clyde marine cadet any idea how much the drop out charges are likely to be am also a nautilus member would they be able to get the charge lowered. One last thing is there any possibility that after a few years I could give the Merchant navy another go I am only 19 or will it be hard to get back in if companies know I gave it up before.

  • #2
    I know that clyde can claim upto ?3000 if you fail to complete but i would talk to them and nautilus first. if you've given it your best shot then hopefully that can be reduced to a much smaller sum but i have no idea what its based against, but i do remember Blossom Bell from Nautalus did talk about getting such charges reduced so give them ALL the facts.

    As far as i know you need to contact SMART who provide the funding if you wished to have another go and find out on a case by case basis if they will fund you again.

    If your just back from sea really try to work out what you didnt like, speak to clyde and see if things can be changed for the next phase, you dont say wether your engine or deck if your engine your most likely half way through the sea time. If you think its something that you might be able to do when your older what went so wrong now?
    you can take it with a pinch of salt, but i prefer it with a nip of whisky

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    • #3
      Depends, as said above they have the right to demand ?3,000 from you, however they will expect drop-outs from Phase 2 so I doubt it will be a problem.

      Having another go may be a problem due to SMART funding, so I would seriously consider staying in if you want to come back in a bit.
      I love deadlines. I like the whooshing sound they make as they fly by.....

      All posts here represent my own opinion and not that of my employer.

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      • #4
        Seeing as you are considering giving it all another go in a few years time I wonder if you've thought this through properly.
        It suggests that you don't dislike the industry but rather had a bad first trip..

        What was it that didn't go as you had planned?
        In my opinion it's part of life, thing's don't always go as one has planned and you just need to sort
        it out and keep going. Giving up is seldom the best way

        The decision is of course yours to make but give it some proper thought first, this was your first trip, everything was new,
        maybe you didn't like the crew but hey on your next trip you might have the time of your life

        Follow your heart but let the brain have a say too

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        • #5
          it wasn't a particularly great job I am quite sure I don't want to work out at sea but am still not entirely comfortable with leaving either I wanted to work on the rigs i think once I qualified or perhaps with a cruise company I don't really know, the company I had wasn't one of the best ones either but am guessing there probably all just as bad, anyway a completely gave up on myself whilst at sea got fed up one night and ripped my record book up and then afterwards I didn't bother to get the officers to sign off the tasks and stuff, will Clyde marine try and talk me out of leaving cause I reckon if I went back to them and asked to continue the course when I haven't completed all the work they would pretty much tell me to get lost. I did complete about 5 months almost at sea and I haven't dropped out yet I haven't spoken to Clyde yet.

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          • #6
            Hi,

            As others have said, companies will be very reluctant to invest in you again in the future if you decide to drop out. It's becoming more and more difficult to get into the M.N. now, and If I were you, I would carry on and give another sea trip a shot, as Bryan has suggested.

            Just make sure you've thought it through before you make a decision. If you decide to drop out, I think you'll find it hard to go back into the M.N. again.

            All the best anyway, whatever your decision is.

            Jack.
            P.S. Just seen your second post...It sounds to me as though a career at sea isn't for you. I think whatever you do now, you might have very well ruined your chances by ripping up your TRB.
            Last edited by IRI5HJ4CK; 7 August 2011, 03:45 PM. Reason: Saw second post.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
              it wasn't a particularly great job I am quite sure I don't want to work out at sea but am still not entirely comfortable with leaving either I wanted to work on the rigs i think once I qualified or perhaps with a cruise company I don't really know, the company I had wasn't one of the best ones either but am guessing there probably all just as bad, anyway a completely gave up on myself whilst at sea got fed up one night and ripped my record book up and then afterwards I didn't bother to get the officers to sign off the tasks and stuff, will Clyde marine try and talk me out of leaving cause I reckon if I went back to them and asked to continue the course when I haven't completed all the work they would pretty much tell me to get lost. I did complete about 5 months almost at sea and I haven't dropped out yet I haven't spoken to Clyde yet.
              If you knew you didn't want to work at sea then why the hell did you join in the first place? You took up a space that could have been used by someone else who had a bit more enthusiasm and a better chance of making it through the course. Then to lay the blame at your company and think that all shipping companies are equally as bad? What planet are you on!? Some companies arn't the best and will consider you to be a cheap form of labour but they are far and few between!

              Also, ripping your TRB? What a stupid, childish, spoilt and immature reaction and to top it off, you didn't ask the officers to help you with your training or have them sign anything at all! Whats the point of you being on board then? You might as well have asked to go home and just resigned then. Did you do any actual work on board that ship at all?

              I do understand that a number of cadets join up, go to sea for the first time and find out it's not for them. Normally it's for a multitude of reasons, but at least they tried and didn't destroy their TRB! If CMT find out about that, then forget getting into another company in a few years time, that won't be viewed well by anyone and if this is your reaction now, then I personally wouldn't bother. This is obviously not the field for you.

              Oh, and rigs and cruise ships arn't easier places to work either. In fact, they are bloody harder and if you can't hack a basic cargo ship/tanker what chance would you have on them?
              I love deadlines. I like the whooshing sound they make as they fly by.....

              All posts here represent my own opinion and not that of my employer.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by GuinnessMan View Post
                If you knew you didn't want to work at sea then why the hell did you join in the first place? You took up a space that could have been used by someone else who had a bit more enthusiasm and a better chance of making it through the course. Then to lay the blame at your company and think that all shipping companies are equally as bad? What planet are you on!? Some companies arn't the best and will consider you to be a cheap form of labour but they are far and few between!

                Also, ripping your TRB? What a stupid, childish, spoilt and immature reaction and to top it off, you didn't ask the officers to help you with your training or have them sign anything at all! Whats the point of you being on board then? You might as well have asked to go home and just resigned then. Did you do any actual work on board that ship at all?

                I do understand that a number of cadets join up, go to sea for the first time and find out it's not for them. Normally it's for a multitude of reasons, but at least they tried and didn't destroy their TRB! If CMT find out about that, then forget getting into another company in a few years time, that won't be viewed well by anyone and if this is your reaction now, then I personally wouldn't bother. This is obviously not the field for you.

                Oh, and rigs and cruise ships arn't easier places to work either. In fact, they are bloody harder and if you can't hack a basic cargo ship/tanker what chance would you have on them?

                I worked hard on that vessel for 5 full months at times i wanted to leave but it wasn't possible too, I worked hard in college also completed all the course got good grades for all my work completed my college assignments at sea and passed them also don't ****ing tell me that I went into this job and did nothing and didn't try at all! destroying the TRB was stupid thing to do especially when I had actually put a lot in to it and it was looking good but it was towards the end of my sea phase. I did ask the officers onboard to help me with my training and i did get them to sign of tasks at first! I was dead keen on this when I first started out but when I got a bit through the course things didn't start to go so well I was pretty unhappy before I went to sea I probably should not have went but you cant blame me for wanting to go and give it a good ****ing try!!

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                • #9
                  Okay, putting it that way it definitely sounds like this isn't really what you should be doing.

                  Unless something in really bad happened while at sea and that was the reason why you 'got fed up'
                  and ripped your TRB, there really is no excuse for that kind of behaviour.
                  So unless there is a good explanation I'd say Phone Clyde, tell them this isn't for you (because it def. isn't)
                  and resign.

                  If you knew from day one that you didn't want to work at sea then as GM said you have taken the place
                  of someone else who really wants to and that should leave you with at least a bad conscience...
                  If however this way your first time at sea and your first realised that you didn't like it while at sea
                  then that's a pity and good luck with whatever you want to do in the future.

                  In regards to taking it all up in a few year... Not a chance

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by bryan_s View Post
                    you have taken the place of someone else who really wants to
                    I have a friend of mine in exactly that position...he has always wanted to go to sea, but has been unable to get a place...great shame...

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by IRI5HJ4CK View Post
                      I have a friend of mine in exactly that position...he has always wanted to go to sea, but has been unable to get a place...great shame...
                      He or she is not alone that's why one has to give this career some though before sending of that application.
                      Do some research, watch documentaries, go to Open Days, ships visits take the ferry across the channel...

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                      • #12
                        Very true - I think the M.N. is gradually getting harder to join. It's what I've always wanted to do, and I can't imagine what I would have done had I not got a place...yet as you say, there are many people in that position who have a genuine interest who are unable to get a sponsor

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                          I worked hard on that vessel for 5 full months at times i wanted to leave but it wasn't possible too, I worked hard in college also completed all the course got good grades for all my work completed my college assignments at sea and passed them also don't ****ing tell me that I went into this job and did nothing and didn't try at all! destroying the TRB was stupid thing to do especially when I had actually put a lot in to it and it was looking good but it was towards the end of my sea phase. I did ask the officers onboard to help me with my training and i did get them to sign of tasks at first! I was dead keen on this when I first started out but when I got a bit through the course things didn't start to go so well I was pretty unhappy before I went to sea I probably should not have went but you cant blame me for wanting to go and give it a good ****ing try!!
                          Wanted to leave bu it wasn't possible too? That my friend, is a pile of bollocks. All you do is tell your Captain or call you company and say "I don't like it, I want to resign and I want to go home" and voila, you go home. You would have been in port 5 times at a minimum and I'm sure you could leave at one of them. You wouldn't be the first to hate it and go home to mummy.

                          So you worked hard in college, congratulations, quick pat on the head but you have clearly said "I am quite sure I don't want to work at sea" and now "I was pretty unhappy before I went to sea" so no, you should not have gone, you should have left then. You have wasted a college space, you have wasted precious training funds and you have wasted yours and a number of peoples time and effort.

                          So at first, you were willing to work, well done. What about at the end? How willing where you then? I'd imagine, not very as you'd destroyed your TRB and you didn't like it on board. I was sympathetic to your situation at first, I know the drop-out statistics for this industry, but your description of your reaction staggered me as it is a childish and immature reaction. To throw a temper tantrum and destroy 5 months of work....

                          Oh, by the way, I'll tell you whatever I ****ing like......
                          I love deadlines. I like the whooshing sound they make as they fly by.....

                          All posts here represent my own opinion and not that of my employer.

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                          • #14
                            Things didn't start to go so well?

                            What things? Were you falling behind or something?

                            OK, you were keen on this as first and then changed your mind. So all you had to do, like GM said, was to tell the Captain that you wanted to go home.

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                            • #15
                              I don't want to get into this too much or I will give my identity away, it was NOT possible to leave I don't give a **** if you believe me or not, besides I should not have to explain myself to anyone on here, there were people on my course who dropped out within the first week people who got booted out because of drugs and some that never even showed up to college at all, I was one of the people who at least gave it a shot, but yeah I realised that it is not for me I just want to find out how much they will charge me and if nautilus can help me get the charges lowered.

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