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    Not all ships or all companies have internet on board, but this makes an interesting read as the insurance companies think it's a good idea too

    http://www.shiptalk.com/?p=4316
    Trust me I'm a Chief.

    Views expressed by me are mine and mine alone.
    Yes I work for the big blue canoe company.
    No I do not report things from here to them as they are quite able to come and read this stuff for themselves.


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    Legal issues are also critical, potentially resulting in ship detention and crew arrest if ships? servers or personal computers are found to contain inappropriate material when calling at ports in certain jurisdictions.
    Surely they could manage "fatigue" at sea with an onboard private shop or conjugal visits?
    "yooman rights" etc...
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    • #3
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      We arent hooman we are Seaman and resistance is futile and as such we have no rights at all anywhere ever.....

      Yes USCG I AM LOOKING AT YOU

      Though to be fair pretty much everywhere is as bad now.

      We are all terrorists (I am personally a member of "the sons of norah batty"...Yorkshire Liberation Front), and we will do as we are told and go where we are told and for preference we will pay the companies for the inconvenience of moving thier cargo for them
      Trust me I'm a Chief.

      Views expressed by me are mine and mine alone.
      Yes I work for the big blue canoe company.
      No I do not report things from here to them as they are quite able to come and read this stuff for themselves.


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      • #4
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        USCG=CUnext tuesday. The real gits are homeland sec and the whole port security nonsense. It was hard enough getting out of Newark on liberty the last time I was there(mission bus only, no taxis, no walkies, no nothing), from what I've read you don't even get that now. Ever felt like a prisoner? Get used to it, because the yanks like it that way; it makes them safer or something...
        '... English is about as pure as a cribhouse whore. We don't
        just borrow words; on occasion, English has pursued other languages
        down alleyways to beat them unconscious and rifle their pockets for
        new vocabulary.' - James Davis Nicoll

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        • #5
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          Oh lovely. You getting the full works?
          I spent 5 months running to the US from the Caribbean in 2003, arriving every 10 days on a tanker.

          Every arrival went like this:

          0600 - Everyone up and out on deck next to the deck railings so the USCG could count us - only the Master allowed on the bridge and Chief below.
          0615 - Heavily armed USCG security team boards and holds us at gunpoint on the poopdeck whilst they do a brief sweep of ship.
          0630 - Our specially emptied (and I mean nothing at all in it) 'Games Room' is security swept by the USCG and on confirmation we're allowed in to sit on the deck.
          0630-0900 - USCG does a 'security sweep' of accommodation block and all deck spaces looking for 'devices' or unauthorised personnel. This includes checking through wardrobes and drawers/bags in cabins. All those with deck knives have to hand them in with a label attached stating who owned them and which rank. All identities are checked with Passports.
          0900 - Sweep over and crew allowed to return to normal duties. We then faced a 10 hour pilotage up Chesapeake Bay to the offshore terminal. 6 USCG security staff remained onboard - 2 covering those on the bridge, 2 in the E/R and 2 roaming the decks. We were also escorted by a USCG helicopter, 2 patrol boats, patrol plane and when passing Norfolk Navy Yard a US Navy frigate. Most of these USCG shared a common brain cell - definitely from 'bum****' USA.
          1900 - Arrival at terminal - full USCG Port state/cargo inspection lasting some 3-4 hours. All personnel available for emergency drills and questioning. Then arrival of Customs and Immigration - all personnel required to be present for immigration ID parade. If you had no US Visa then you were banned from shore leave.
          2400 - Maybe, just maybe we might be able to start cargo! Discharge took 24 hours then straight back out to sea to Trinidad for another load.

          We went through this lot every 10 days, and often saw the same blokes doing the inspections.
          I would add that the above happened to a British owned, British flagged ship with a full complement of British Officers and Filipino crew.
          We were lucky - there were Norwegian, Danish and Nigerian ships on the same run and they were treated far more harshly than ourselves. For example we were allowed into a cleared space whilst the sweep took place - the Norwegians/Danes/Nigerians were not, that meant they had to remain on deck for the full 3 hours regardless of rain, wind or snow.
          Special Relationship? Ha!
          Paranoid officious wankers.

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          • #6
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            Originally posted by Malim Sahib
            Most of these USCG shared a common brain cell - definitely from 'bum****' USA.
            From what I read, the maximum you need to enter the US Chimp Guard is 1 term of any course from the equivalent of a polytechnic (I don't know if there is a minimum qualification beyond the possession of vapid, crosseyed, flattop, microcephalic, chisel-jawed "patriotism").

            Originally posted by Malim Sahib
            We went through this lot every 10 days, and often saw the same blokes doing the inspections.
            I would add that the above happened to a British owned, British flagged ship with a full complement of British Officers and Filipino crew.
            We were lucky - there were Norwegian, Danish and Nigerian ships on the same run and they were treated far more harshly than ourselves. For example we were allowed into a cleared space whilst the sweep took place - the Norwegians/Danes/Nigerians were not, that meant they had to remain on deck for the full 3 hours regardless of rain, wind or snow.
            Special Relationship? Ha!
            Paranoid officious wankers.
            They just know how to win friends don't they... I just think it's time we armed the RNLI and started giving the yanks a taste of their own medicine... rough 'em up at Heathrow too!
            We so need our own Border Police/Militarised Coast Guard!
            Limit the intake to those who failed GCSEs and can shout a lot... jobs a'...
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            • #7
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              Scotty,
              Another acronym for you: USCG - Uncle Sams Confused Group

              I think it's quite correct that all the security nonsense they choose to inflict on those trying to enter the USA, be they ships, people on business or holidaymakers should be done to them in turn when they visit the UK.

              Until the 1950s it was common for crews of cargo ships to undergo the 'short arm' inspection upon arrival in the USA. Basically this meant that before being allowed ashore, and after being questioned on your political interests of course (Red scare), all crew underwent an examination by a Doctor who had a good look around your meat and two veg to check for any VD's.
              This was despite the USA having the highest per capita rate of VDs in the world at that time!
              Naturally this annoyed rather a lot of people, yet despite the protests the Americans refused to discontinue the practice, that was until the French got involved....
              After making representations to the USCG, and failing to get a suitable response, the French waited for the next large American passenger ship to arrive at Cherbourg (remember this is pre jet travel, so lots of passie boats) and before anyone was allowed ashore (passengers and crew) they all had to undergo the same genitalia inspection, women too.
              Naturally this got the good old boys in Washington up in arms and dire threats were made, however the French refused to back down and so the USCG was finally persuaded to relent and thereafter 'short arm inspection' was consigned to History.

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              • #8
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                Originally posted by Malim Sahib
                Scotty,
                Another acronym for you: USCG - Uncle Sams Confused Group
                That's far too kind.

                I'll have to set to work on some new ToEs (Terms of Endearment)
                Uncle Sam's Chimp Gimps?


                Now that IngSoc is out on its arse, we need some of them French manners to inflict on the Yanks... the lack of gratitude for the last decade and a half of backing them up is unforgivable.
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                • #9
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                  Bleedin' Henry!! I have to say that wasn't my experience at all.. OK I was on a poncey cruise ship, but this is what we got...

                  0530. POB plus 6 USCG, all come up to the bridge, USCG sit in corner, drink coffee and do sweet FA.

                  0600 US immigration officer starts seeing crew who haven't been through immigration in the last 3 months, once they've seen your C/D1 you get a scrappy bit of paper which allows you on and off the ship as and when you like, no passport checks or anything.

                  0730 Ship Berths, One NYPD detective comes to hang out on the bridge all day. USCG eff off, pilot effs off.

                  0800 Passies start piling off for tours etc, they go through immigration as usual. If I was escorting a tour I minced through waving my bit of paper and was waved on!

                  The ship does have it's own luggage scanners and walkthrough arches for anyone returning to the ship, which thay have to go through every time, no matter where the ship is, and all crew and passies have an ID card which gets barcode scanned as you go on/get off, but the US security for the crew entrance was one sweet old guy who didn't bother asking to see any ID at all!!

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                  • #10
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                    We normally also had the USCG stopping onboard for the duration of our stay and patrol boats regularly spinning around us enforcing a 'security zone'.
                    Regarding Gin Palaces, the Yanks probably acknowledge it's not worth the hassle to continually screen thousands of crew - it eats into dunkin donuts time! Mind you I've seen them bring snacks with them!
                    Of course on a cargo ship with 20-30 men onboard it's no sweat to give them hours of grief. What made it all the more annoying with that trip in 2003 was that we had to go through this lot every 10 days for 5 months. I mean what is the point?
                    It was interesting to see the difference down in Louisiana, as down there (in da Bayou) we never saw the CG at all! Immigration would bimble down and bitch and moan about certain things as they do, but weren't too much trouble, that is unless we arrived in the early hours and they demanded everyone get up for the usual passport/visa/personal ID check.

                    We had a Glaswegian 3/E one trip who didn't have a C1/D, ergo normally no shore leave. So anyway, we gets to Cove Point and immigration rock onboard as usual, whereupon they come to our Glaswegian friend, notice lack of said visa and refuse shoreleave.

                    Our 3/E then pipes up: "ah, but that's no a problem as I'm allowed a special shore pass"
                    Immigration Official: "special shore pass, never heard of that before. Why'd you get that?"
                    3/E: "well the bloke in the last port called it a $20 special pass, I gave him 20 bucks and he gave me a shore pass, no problem".
                    Cue official getting rather flustered/red/beginning to splutter not.

                    This was the same 3/E, who, when asked about his political allegiances by one Immigration Official replied "Celtic FC".

                    Incidentally, current practice for when US immigration board ships is to bring a Geiger counter with them. They normally sit it on the desk next to themselves, so when you're called in for your ID check it scans you for radioactive substances. I visited South Carolina by ship in February this year, and Texas last year and in both ports they had these counters. When I asked the bloke in SC if this was normal, he said it was a nationwide edict by the Department for Homeland Intimidatio...erm Security.

                    Now is that paranoia or what?

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                    • #11
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                      Originally posted by Malim Sahib
                      Now is that paranoia or what?
                      The US paranoid? Never.

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                      • #12
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                        I think the attitude is something like:
                        "the world hates us, we don't understand why; so let's be really scared and nasty and make them hate us more, that way they'll be too scared to hurt us."

                        land of the fat, home of the fat;
                        government for the industrial military complex, by the industrial military complex. etc...
                        Still, it beats being dominated by the Ummah, Russia and China... (just).
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