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  • Steve
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    Originally posted by penfold View Post
    Given that it's sitting in kitty litter I'd say it's a gate guardian.
    Unless I'm very much mistaken it's on the landward side of the shops at Osprey Quay, Portland.

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  • penfold
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    Originally posted by Steve View Post
    Is that a new arrival at Osprey?
    Given that it's sitting in kitty litter I'd say it's a gate guardian.

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  • tomkent45
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    HMS Dragon

    According to the news, the new vessel HMS Dragon could be a good answer : "she does come so powerfully armed that she will be able to fend off multiple and simultaneous attacks at supersonic speeds."
    Moreover, she will be the first warship to use electric propulsion.
    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...-launched.html

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  • Steve
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    Originally posted by Dosedmonkey View Post
    Took this photo today at the site of an ex-RN base I live near.
    Is that a new arrival at Osprey?

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  • Lewis
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    Was talking about the army. Don't have much experience of navy or RAF. ACOG is becoming more popular too replacing SUSAT on front line units, personally I prefer SUSAT.

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  • Dosedmonkey
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    Originally posted by Lewis View Post
    Generally theses days almost everyone deploys with SUSAT even clerks.
    On royal navy vessels and in the RAF (including in Kandahr airbase, afgahnistan) that is not the case I have seen. Guessing your talking Army?



    Took this photo today at the site of an ex-RN base I live near.

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  • Lewis
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    It's only effective at the ranges you talk about as a section weapon. Not to mention the movement of ships bobbing up and down in the sea to factor in. Generally theses days almost everyone deploys with SUSAT even clerks.

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  • Dosedmonkey
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    Guessing on your vessel you don't just have railings on most upper decks? I'd be fine proning on the vessels I've worked on. And they liturally are going to come a lot closer then 300m if they're going to try and board you, i mean you can't throw a molotov cocktail 300m, you should have an effective range, 450m with iron sights, 650m with a SUSAT, or if your in the RAF in a profession such as engineer or electrician, 450m with iron sights, or if your rubbish, they give you a SUSAT scope, so you can then manage 450m, hehe. If you see regular RAF on guard duty and one has a SUSAT scope, it means he is a crap shot. :P


    In case this isn't already on the forums, please sign the petition if you have not previously;
    http://www.itfseafarers.org/pe​tition.cfm
    Stop the pirates.

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  • Lewis
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    Don't know hiting anything at more than 300ms is tricky even from prone. Throw in the fact you probably have to stand and factor in the movement of ships involved. I don't think a rifle woud be much use other than to scare less prepared pirates off.

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  • Dosedmonkey
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    To be honest, I doubt any of the pirates from Somalia at least, have had much training with rifles, a M4A1 or L85, either with 4x scope in the hands of someone trained to use it, would fend off pirates quite easy. Ships with home made molotov cocktails have fended them off before. I really find the fact that this has turned into such a big issue due to slow reaction by politicians and companies, quite annoying.



    One to book mark here, piracy news section of the Telegraph.

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/piracy/

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  • Lewis
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    Auto canon is probably excessive 50 cal would probably do it. But I think a gimpy or minimi would be better as they are more portable if the pirates want to attack from another side of the ship. If you want to be really over the top could use this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GAK22...eature=related to stop RPGs.

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  • Steve
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    Originally posted by Dosedmonkey View Post
    Can we both come to a compromise and say miniguns?
    They look impressive but are a maintenance nightmare. Not even remotely proof against water. You want something simple and effective - 0.50" M2 HMG as used by the USN (or an equivalent, DShK or something) is probably the best solution short of an autocannon.

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  • Dosedmonkey
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    Can we both come to a compromise and say miniguns?

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  • Lewis
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    Cannons are probably a bit excessive. A couple of GPMGs would probably do the job.

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  • GuinnessMan
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    Originally posted by Dosedmonkey View Post
    The difference between a cannon and small arms is next to null in this instance scientifcaly, your just being a jessie like the pirates would if you had a big gun.

    I think its a government not realising the severity due to the media not reporting on it as its not sensational enough, and then the international stratergy by the politicians isn't working very well, as they are all speaking to each other as non-experts on maritime affairs and not letting the royal navy get on with it, and as often with the forces, the man in charge of an operation or regiment gets promoted to a different post just as they start to understand the situation and about to improve it. I don't think theirs any problems with asylum or blowing people up, hell look at the royal navy's apaches blowing the hell out of libya currently.
    I'll give you that one, but think about it. How do you think a terminal like JAFZA would act if an oil tanker was to pull in with a couple of cannons on the sides? Bear in mind this is the group that "strives towards safety" and went nuts at me because I had a switched off Mobile in my bag (Ah, but it could switch on in your bag and you wouldn't know!).

    What do you think their reaction would be with a ship sailing into their port that has the capacity to blow parts of their storage and refinery facility to bits?

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