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  • SMarT Funding to be Doubled

    https://www.gov.uk/government/news/government-doubles-trainee-funding-in-smart-move-to-boost-uk-maritime-sector

    • SMarT funding to go up from current £15m to £30m per year
    • Estimated annual increase in cadet intakes of 750 to 1200
    • Increase to be gradually phased in over next 7 years
    • Carnival UK, BP, Shell, Maersk, Stena have also pledged to create an extra 450 training positions onboard ships
    Last edited by Snowy; 2nd February 2018, 11:38 AM. Reason: fix link
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  • #2
    With zero jobs for the sausage machine to feed!?
    Howabout a commitment from sponsor companies to offer 6 months employment on successful pass of orals within a set time frame first?
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    • #3
      As you say - nice to see their investing but if there’s no jobs at the end it’s just shoving another bunch of young people through training to end up joining the huge pile of people looking for work.

      Commitment from the Chamber of Shipping, who routinely go on about the shortage of officers, from their actual members to employ British officers would be a lot more beneficial to the whole situation!
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      • #4
        Agree, this might not be a bad thing in the long run, just going to be an even more flooded market in the meantime.
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        • #5
          Originally posted by Snowy View Post
          Agree, this might not be a bad thing in the long run, just going to be an even more flooded market in the meantime.
          What happened to the smart plus idea?

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          • #6
            isn't there a commitment to employ them 12 months afterwards

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            • #7
              In return, shipping companies will create additional UK training positions and commit to employ newly qualified SMarT Plus officers.

              This will enable SMarT Plus officers to gain the 12 months sea time experience that is required to enable them to progress to their second Certificate of Competency.

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              • #8
                Doesn't look like Smart Plus to me, just double the amount of 'Smart'!

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                • #9
                  the shipping ministers statement reads that they are expected to give you at least 12 months sea time after orals as a third..SMART fundung appesrs to cover you for approximately 5years..3 years cadet ..2 years as third..depending on your leave ratio

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Matt247 View Post
                    In return, shipping companies will create additional UK training positions and commit to employ newly qualified SMarT Plus officers.

                    This will enable SMarT Plus officers to gain the 12 months sea time experience that is required to enable them to progress to their second Certificate of Competency.
                    Sounds like Smart 2 see no 5.0 https://www.gov.uk/government/upload...01/MIN_486.pdf

                    So, if you qualified in or after 28/3/2014 it is only the company that trained you that can get funded to provide training to chiefmates etc.
                    Or is smart plus something else? On top of this?
                    Query what happens to those that have qualified that do not have a job or a job in rank now, do they go back to their training company and say now train me to chief mates? What exactly will they be paid whilst doing that?
                    If that’s not the case then you have a situation of companies not taking on anyone who is qualified and not working, or not in an officer rank job, because they will be placing their newly qualified OOW s in these roles, leaving a bunch or OOWs worse off than they are now.
                    thats what come to my m8nd anyway. Thoughts anyone, and can’t find shipping ministers statement. Bit tied up with ‘stuff’.

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                    • #11
                      If you have a read of this, https://www.gov.uk/government/speech...itime-training, it states that;


                      • SMarT Plus is a package that will see SMarT funding doubled, over a 7 year period, from £15 million to £30 million per year.


                      • This will enable the cadet intake to increase from 750 to 1,200 each year.


                      • In return, shipping companies will create additional UK training positions and commit to employ newly qualified SMarT Plus officers.


                      • This will enable SMarT Plus officers to gain the 12 months sea time experience that is required to enable them to progress to their second Certificate of Competency.


                      • UK officers holding a second Certificate of Competency are particularly valued throughout industry. Their quality, leadership and training makes them highly employable
                      How definite that is remains to be seen, unless it is a condition of the SMARTPLUS funding.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by riker View Post
                        If you have a read of this, https://www.gov.uk/government/speech...itime-training, it states that;




                        How definite that is remains to be seen, unless it is a condition of the SMARTPLUS funding.

                        Yes, it’s commit to employ newly qualified Smart Plus officers, what’s happening to the plain old newly qualified who don’t have a job as a 3/0 is the question. There will three years worth of cadets in the system, who are not on smartplus, and ones that qualified during the last three years too. When the new cadets start that will be on smart plus qualify they will be employed, but that’s three years away for them. There will be a new cohort of one year at a time, and increasing as they want more cadets not fewer.

                        Hopefully one one of the sponsoring company people will pop up and enlighten us about that.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Midge View Post
                          Yes, it’s commit to employ newly qualified Smart Plus officers, what’s happening to the plain old newly qualified who don’t have a job as a 3/0 is the question. There will three years worth of cadets in the system, who are not on smartplus, and ones that qualified during the last three years too. When the new cadets start that will be on smart plus qualify they will be employed, but that’s three years away for them. There will be a new cohort of one year at a time, and increasing as they want more cadets not fewer.

                          Hopefully one one of the sponsoring company people will pop up and enlighten us about that.
                          I've emailed the SMarT guys at the government for more clarification – when they get back to me, I'll post it here!

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                          • #14
                            Screen Shot 2018-02-03 at 11.21.30.jpg

                            This screenshot shows the companies that support the new SMarT Plus funding, and by inference, those that will now employ their cadets for 12 months after training perhaps?

                            Source - can be viewed here

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Midge View Post
                              Yes, it’s commit to employ newly qualified Smart Plus officers, what’s happening to the plain old newly qualified who don’t have a job as a 3/0 is the question. There will three years worth of cadets in the system, who are not on smartplus, and ones that qualified during the last three years too. When the new cadets start that will be on smart plus qualify they will be employed, but that’s three years away for them. There will be a new cohort of one year at a time, and increasing as they want more cadets not fewer.

                              Hopefully one one of the sponsoring company people will pop up and enlighten us about that.
                              While it's better than nothing, it's still not going to resolve the problem - just shift it further down the line... While getting the first trip is understandably the big problem at the moment - since everywhere wants experience, all this risks doing is ensuring that theres a bunch of unemployed officers with 12 months sea time, who having obtained that - find themselves out of work with no one wanting to employ them!

                              I predict in a few years time the usual suspects from the industry will be continuing to complain about a lack of suitable officers - while doing absolutely nothing to employ them.

                              A potential better solution would of been a requirement that to be in the SMART scheme and benefit from all that is related to it, they must employ a minimum number of british officers per cadet within the scheme.
                              “Twenty years from now you will be more disappointed by the things you didn’t do than by the ones you did do. So throw off the bowlines, sail away from the safe harbor. Catch the trade winds in your sails. Explore. Dream. Discover.”

                              – Mark Twain
                              myBlog | @alistairuk | flickr | youtube Views and opinions expressed are those of myself and not representative of any employer or other associated party.

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