Ecdis

[Lewis]

On ships required to carry end is. Must end is be used as the primary means of navigation?

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[GuinnessMan]

On ships required to carry end is. Must end is be used as the primary means of navigation?

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Only if those who hold a navigational watch have type specific training STOP

[Lewis]

Ment can those required to carry it continue to use charts as the primary means of navigation with ecdis as an aid? Or must ecdis be primary means of navigation?

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[alistairuk]

They may continue to use charts.

[Clanky]

What are the rules regarding which ships are required to carry ECDIS? I am presently on the only company vessel to be fitted with it and we only have it because the ship was originally built for someone else and bought off the blocks.

On ships which are required to carry ECDIS how many of the bridge team are required to have done the type specific training?

[alistairuk]

What are the rules regarding which ships are required to carry ECDIS? I am presently on the only company vessel to be fitted with it and we only have it because the ship was originally built for someone else and bought off the blocks.

Currently required to carry approved ECDIS installation;

• Passenger ships of 500 GT and upwards constructed on or after 1st July 2012
• Tankers of 3,000 GT and upwards constructed on or after 1st July 2012
• Cargo ships, other than tankers, of 10,000 GT and upwards on or after 1st July 2013

Required to carry approved ECDIS installation within next 12 months;

• Cargo ships, other than tankers, of 3,000 GT and upwards but less than 10,000 GT constructed on or after 1st July 2014
• Passenger ships of 500 GT and upwards constructed before 1st July 2012, not later than the first survey on or after 1st of July 2014

Other vessels required to carry approved ECDIS installation;

• Tankers of 3,000 GT and upwards constructed before 1st July 2012, not later than the first survey on or after 1st July 2015
• Cargo ships, other than tankers, of 50,000 GT and upwards constructed before 1st July 2013, not later than the first survey on or after 1st of July 2016
• Cargo ships, other than tankers, of 20,000 GT and upwards but less than 50,000 GT constructed before 1st July 2013, not later than the first survey on or after 1st of July 2017
• Cargo ships, other than tankers, of 10,000 GT and upwards but less than 20,000 GT constructed before 1st July 2013, not later than the first survey on or after 1st of July 2018

Existing cargo vessels under 10,000 GT (except tankers) are not required to be fitted with ECDIS. Similarly vessels not covered by SOLAS (eg: not engaged on international voyages) are at the discretion of their flag state.

On ships which are required to carry ECDIS how many of the bridge team are required to have done the type specific training?

Anyone who is going to use the equipment.

[Mantaforce]

I'm the same, I'm on the only vessel in our fleet with ECDIS. It's a new ship and they are putting us on a five day ECDIS course. When I was a cadet I did my NAEST course. Am I still required to do the ECDIS training?

[AlternativeNavs]

I'm the same, I'm on the only vessel in our fleet with ECDIS. It's a new ship and they are putting us on a five day ECDIS course. When I was a cadet I did my NAEST course. Am I still required to do the ECDIS training?

Indeed, your college course covers you for generic ECDIS training. However if your ship is paperless you are required to undertake a type specific course.

[Whitefall]

I'm just coming from the 7th Triple-E, it's the first one to be paperless, which is a bit of a pain to get used to.

Anyhow, for us ECDIS is main, with redundancy, meaning a second ECDIS. All navigators, meaning CO, 2nd, 3rd and ALSO the master is required to have type specific ECDIS training in addition to the Generic ECDIS course.
We're not allowed to use papercharts for backup, as the vessel isn't classed for it.

You only need type-specific ECDIS for paperless ships, and the entire bridge team needs it. Lookouts and Cadets excepted. And if you have ECDIS and Papercharts, only Generic ECDIS.

[Clanky]

You only need type-specific ECDIS for paperless ships, and the entire bridge team needs it. Lookouts and Cadets excepted. And if you have ECDIS and Papercharts, only Generic ECDIS.

So is this also true of a ship with both systems, where ECDIS is the primary means of navigation?

[Silvertop]

I disagree. If ECDIS is the primary means of navigation, all officers are required to have type specific training. With or without paper charts as a backup.

[Whitefall]

Of course, if ECDIS is primary means, then specific training is required. Bit of a bad wording on my part, I was just thinking ECDIS as primary, with ECDIS as backup.