Training Record Book

[Martyboy]

One old man I worked with would make me get the lead line out at EVERY port and manually take the depths at 18 different points around the vessel, that was my fav!!

As far as not getting th MNTB books, every Maersk ship I sailed on always had a spare copy of the MNTB blue and purple books, so they can't be that hard to get a hold of.

[HarmlessWeasel]

Doesn't your ship carry a lead line? All mine have, and they have been used to conduct berth surveys on more than one occasion.

I'll let you know when I get on board.


I heard that the spinners on patent logs used to get eaten by sharks etc. Any truth in that?

[thebrookster]

Every ship I have been on has had a lead line tucked away in a cupboard somewhere or other. Causes me endless amusement when casually asking the OOW where said object is, then watching them hunt through the entire bridge for it. It normally then travels around the ship, being discussed left right and centre!!

[CharlieDelta]

Lead lines are still required on some ships at least. I know our deep lead line was inspected during our PSSC survey.

[Hatchorder]

At least one also had/has a patent log, though I confess to not having used it. Bit of an ancient thing in a box

Had to use it a few times. pig of a thing to use, especially handing it back on board, and we never found it was particularly accurate. Hated with a passion by most cadets who ever used it.

Ian

[JonathanI]

I got a brand new printed copy of the TRB from Kirsch, with a "sample" watermark on every page, bound in a nice blue folder - the only time I did get something I asked for!

Ian

Oh i was hoping you wouldn't say kirsch.

[Hatchorder]

I got a brand new printed copy of the TRB from Kirsch, with a "sample" watermark on every page, bound in a nice blue folder - the only time I did get something I asked for!

Ian

[GuinnessMan]

Quick Question who did you get in contact with in order to get copies for Ambassador purposes

They won't give them to you for that, plus you'd have to pay for them. I was in a company and wanted a copy of each for professional reasons (won't go into it exactly), but it was a challenge to get them, we had to pay for them and they took ages to arrive. Best photocopy your old one and use that...

[EH75]

Thanks for putting that up, fascinating as always! And yeah, its not THAT much different really, still lots of boxes to sign!

[Steve]

I am actually amazed at how little the format of the book has changed in the last thirty years.

I was wondering which pages covered proper technique for obtaining soundings with a lead...

Doesn't your ship carry a lead line? All mine have, and they have been used to conduct berth surveys on more than one occasion.

At least one also had/has a patent log, though I confess to not having used it. Bit of an ancient thing in a box, stowed next to the star globe and the optical rangefinder. ;-)

[JonathanI]

Quick Question who did you get in contact with in order to get copies for Ambassador purposes

[Hatchorder]

To pick up a sample of the seabed, so you knew what was underneath you. Different areas had different sea beds, and this could help tell you where you were.

Also, if my memory serves me correctly what was on the bottom gave you an indication of how well an anchor would hold.

The other point of the lead was too show depth, (if used correctly, swinging the lead is a skill in itself), so "By the deep 9" would mean 9 fathoms depth, though I am not certain what the deep stood for.

Your marking on the lead line was a piece of leather with a hole in it for 10 fathoms. Not every fathom was marked and so by the deep was a measurement that did not have a marking on the line. By the mark 5 was because 5 had a mark. and a quarter 5 was the marking for the 5 fathoms being in the water by 18 inches.

2, 5, 7, 10, 12, 15, 17, 20 were all marks.

[thebrookster]

You may joke you bloody lot - we had to learn how to sound using a lead - white lead and tallow - anyone know why you had it and what you used it for?

To pick up a sample of the seabed, so you knew what was underneath you. Different areas had different sea beds, and this could help tell you where you were.

Also, if my memory serves me correctly what was on the bottom gave you an indication of how well an anchor would hold.

The other point of the lead was too show depth, (if used correctly, swinging the lead is a skill in itself), so "By the deep 9" would mean 9 fathoms depth, though I am not certain what the deep stood for.

[Hatchorder]

... I was wondering which pages covered proper technique for obtaining soundings with a lead...

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Err.... Task number 56 - right after "Stream, set and hand patent log" - Don't tell me you don't know what one of them is either - bloody youth of today!

[GuinnessMan]

As for animals on the boat two by two - you are right - we only loaded two engineers!