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    Hi all,

    I've seen the phrase "HCMM" thrown around a bit on here recently, usually accompanied by the words "training grants". Obviously as a cadet, any form of grant for additional courses is useful - especially for things like DP!

    Is it possible to join the HCMM (Which I'm presuming means "Honourable company of master mariners") as a cadet? Or do you have to become a master?

    Other than the grants, are there any other advantages to joining the HCMM? On the flip side, are there any downsides to joining something like the HCMM?

    Thanks!
    Pointy bit is the front, blunt bit is the back... Simples!

    Will work for money/sea time.

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    Yes you can join as a cadet. You get assigned a master mariner as a mentor who can give you advice and support. There are opportunities for financial rewards, including a bonus when you qualify. Check the website for details.
    Depending on your age you join either as an apprentice or as an associate member. The apprentices are expected to submit some written work at some various times if I remember correctly.
    It's a good way of building contacts and networking. It's not everyone's cup of tea, but it won't do you any harm either.
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    • #3
      They are pretty good organization - rather stuffy and not for everyone, but if you are into networking then it can be really good - especially if want a job in London later - they also have a pretty cool ship tied up on embankment which you can stay on-board for a few quid.
      They give you cash when you qualify and support you towards your Masters etc. If you are into all of the stuff then I would recommend it, but don't do it just for cynical reasons, do some research first and only do it if you feel committed to the idea.
      Cruise ship Captain with experience on-board Passenger Vessels ranging from 5500-150000 GRT.

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      • #4
        Great organisation. I have found the mentoring to be very relaxed and helpful. It will allow you to meet people in parts of the industry you might not knew existed! (I didn't!).
        Guild HQ is rather nice and you get a tie out of it! Will be useful as you progress through your career.

        I personally would recommend it, I like it, but agree it might not be for everyone, but there's no reason why not, its a great opportunity.
        All views are my own and not that of my employer/training company.

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        • #5
          Thanks guys - I'll have a more detailed look into the HCMM, and will hopefully put an application in at some point!
          Pointy bit is the front, blunt bit is the back... Simples!

          Will work for money/sea time.

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          • #6
            Most definitely a good thing, I've not managed to get down to London for the curry lunch they do but I got assigned a mentor whos an ex-captain and he has given me useful tips and links to the merchant navy world. Hopefully get down there soon to meet in person, cash willing!

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            • #7
              I'm considering joining this. I have slight reservations about swearing allegiance to the Queen but I'm sure I'll get over it.

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              • #8
                I am Freeman of the HCMM, having joined as an apprentice when I was a cadet. If you join as a cadet, you don't need to pay a penny until you eventually have your Masters ticket, but if you join when already qualified it does cost a little.
                You get assigned a mentor who can guide you through your career and can assist with getting that first job, subsequent jobs and moving on. Wherever I have worked, I have generally passed on details of job vacancies to the HCMM long before they've been advertised. Why? Because the members/apprentices/junior associates are all known quantities to some extent, so more likely to have a success rate with them based on a personal recommendation.
                If you are interested in networking, getting invites to some interesting events, assistance with career progression and course etc, then its well worth joining. I have had far more out of the HCMM then I've put in, but hope to be able to return something to the organisation as time goes on.
                The bar and lunches in London are also great, as well as being able to stay on board in the centre of London. I used the accommodation when I did a course in London recently (a course provided for free thanks to the HCMM).

                Worth considering if you are serious about a career at sea or perhaps eventually ashore in London. Lots of London based members involved in P&I, Law, Management, Commercial etc.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by EH75 View Post
                  I'm considering joining this. I have slight reservations about swearing allegiance to the Queen but I'm sure I'll get over it.
                  I felt the same way about this, I just went with the flow... Good job there's not some kind of lie detector when you have to swear the allegiance to the Queen!

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Fox View Post
                    I felt the same way about this, I just went with the flow... Good job there's not some kind of lie detector when you have to swear the allegiance to the Queen!
                    Gotta say, I hold the opposite view. If you don't believe in something you should have the courage of your convictions.

                    I know a couple of people who are republicans and needed to take the Oath of Allegiance. One of them told me he squared it with himself because The Queen (as Head of State) represents the whole of the UK. While he wasn't happy swearing allegiance to the Queen, he was happy to swear allegiance to her as an embodiment of the UK.

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