Can someone conducting a STCW short course sign off a task in your TRB?

[Lewisscott22]

It makes sense does it not?

As of now, we are doing our STCW Advanced Fire Fighting course. The staff are qualified, surely they can sign off some tasks?

However, in doing this they would require a specimen signature. Which is entered in the same section as the ship name, rank and grade info.


Any help?

[alistairuk]

It makes sense does it not?

As of now, we are doing our STCW Advanced Fire Fighting course. The staff are qualified, surely they can sign off some tasks?

However, in doing this they would require a specimen signature. Which is entered in the same section as the ship name, rank and grade info.


Any help?

The short answer: No they can't.

[Ducki52]

Don't you do your advanced courses in phase 5? Looks like someone may be off back to sea...

[Lewis]

I thought you were allowed to leave things unsigned. It just ment the nice man doing your orals was more likely to ask you about it.

[Lewisscott22]

The short answer: No they can't.

Wonderful. They make everything so easy...

Don't you do your advanced courses in phase 5? Looks like someone may be off back to sea...

Some we do, some we don't.

[Lewisscott22]

I thought you were allowed to leave things unsigned. It just meant the nice man doing your orals was more likely to ask you about it.

We have been told don't come back until everything is signed off.

[EH75]

I thought you were allowed to leave things unsigned. It just ment the nice man doing your orals was more likely to ask you about it.

Seriously? We have had it pretty much drummed into us from various sources that everything must be signed off unless you have a very good excuse. For example the box about recharging fire extingushers would not need to be filled out if you were on a ship which gets its fire extinguishers recharged ashore. There are also certain boxes that specifiy that you may not be able to complete them depending on ship type, but generally you should have everything signed off by the time you have finished your 12 months. I'm sure it says things to this effect in the TRB guidance but can't be bothered to go and look mine out to check.

I have no idea if the MCA would ask you to go back to sea to get it completed though. It says in the TRB that they might require you to complete more sea time, although I have never heard of that actually happening. Has anyone ever heard of this threat being carried out?

And yeah pretty sure only officers on your ship can sign off tasks. Maybe "a responsible officer of the company holding a COC who has knowledge of the candidate's sea experience" but I think that would would have to be fairly exceptional circumstances.

[alistairuk]

I thought you were allowed to leave things unsigned. It just ment the nice man doing your orals was more likely to ask you about it.

Who told you that? In order to meet the training requirement you must have all tasks completed. There is the one exception which applies to two tasks (assuming their still there) where there is the option to complete 1 or the other as they relate to cargo operations (although it does state you should complete both if possible).

Also if during your entire sea time it was not physically possible to do something they may accept a written report in place of the task (supposedly). People used to have this problem with celestial navigation, where they got away with it by doing questions the college gave them.

I have no idea if the MCA would ask you to go back to sea to get it completed though. It says in the TRB that they might require you to complete more sea time, although I have never heard of that actually happening. Has anyone ever heard of this threat being carried out?

The MCA can and have sent people back to sea who have turned up to their Orals with incomplete paperwork or who did so bad in the exam they determined it was necessary!

[GuinnessMan]

If you're a deck cadet then you've got 12 months to get everything signed off. As an Engineer you've got 6 months and to be honest, it is do-able.

I had a whole bucket load more reports to do than what's in the current system and I managed to pull it off with about 3 or 4 weeks on my last ship to spare.

I also have been hearing that some people with CMT believe they are going to be fired if they don't complete their portfolio on their first trip. Well, that's a load Betty Swallocks...

[gadget123]

If you're a deck cadet then you've got 12 months to get everything signed off. As an Engineer you've got 6 months and to be honest, it is do-able.

I had a whole bucket load more reports to do than what's in the current system and I managed to pull it off with about 3 or 4 weeks on my last ship to spare.

I also have been hearing that some people with CMT believe they are going to be fired if they don't complete their portfolio on their first trip. Well, that's a load Betty Swallocks...

Its not really about doing the reports, its a matter of being on a ship that does the tasks required, particularly in the safety sections, some masters/officers simply don't bother with drills which can make it very hard for cadets to get things signed off.