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  • marky9074
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    Originally posted by Midge View Post
    MGN 097 has been replaced a long time ago. You need to look at the following it replaces it https://www.gov.uk/government/upload...12/MSN1862.pdf
    Thanks for that, I was still using MIN 473 as reference. Either way I am stuffed until I can find my steering certificate.

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  • Midge
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    MGN 097 has been replaced a long time ago. You need to look at the following it replaces it https://www.gov.uk/government/upload...12/MSN1862.pdf

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  • marky9074
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    Originally posted by steamer View Post
    MGN 097 (M) states quite clearly that a steering certificate is not required and that the proof of steering in the TRB is sufficient to obtain an EDH certificate, which then allows you to apply apply for an NOE etc.
    Also a quick search of the MCA website does not find MSF 4307, which leads me to believe that this is no longer valid.
    I would urge anybody reading this thread not to start adding possibly defunct paperwork into their folios and simply follow college advice, otherwise you could end up making the colleges look out of date, or even worse yourself!
    I have reservations regarding copyright of the above link, but I shall leave that one to my colleagues to sort out.
    Sorry to resurrect this thread, but MGN097 does state that you need a steering certificate (or Navigation Watch Rating certificate) to progress to EDH (page 5), so am slightly confused. I am an ex-cadet (P&OCL 1988) that quit after the first sea phase to pursue a career in hydrography. I now want to revisit my earlier career, and was going to pick up an EDH (seems most tug operators would not consider employing ratings without) but I cannot find my deck cadet record book (with the steering certficiate in the middle of it).

    This is a bit of a show stopper for me at the moment. I am still in touch with a few of the cadets on my course, and I did serve on tugs inbetween the voyages, so they could retrospectively make up a certificate, but ideally would prefer another solution. Do operators even take a copy of the certificates, and if so would they have them now..... (doubt it)!

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  • euan
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    2 hours mate. I now remember that my training officer did say about that just before I left for sea.

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  • Lewis
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    Is it 2 hours of pilotage? I thought it was just twice steering under pilotage didn't think it specified a time.

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  • euan
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    Btw Guinness man! Mint name, best drink in the world!

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  • euan
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    No it doesn't really your right there, I should do a few pilotages regardless ! But honestly I don't think any amount of practice will help me be more confident doing a pilotage

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  • GuinnessMan
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    Originally posted by endure View Post
    Does it matter whether you don't need to do it to get your ticket? Why not just do it for the hell of it?
    Was why I did it, plus I needed some form of payment for showing a C/O have to prep and start the ME....

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  • endure
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    Originally posted by euan View Post
    The one in the trb is a bit confusing anyway isn't it because it gives you a section to sign off things like pilotage into harbours which I have heard you don't need to do to get your ticket anyway.
    Does it matter whether you don't need to do it to get your ticket? Why not just do it for the hell of it?

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  • size4riggerboots
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    IIRC You need at least 2 hrs pilotage steering out of the 10hrs required to get your steering ticket.

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  • euan
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    The one in the trb is a bit confusing anyway isn't it because it gives you a section to sign off things like pilotage into harbours which I have heard you don't need to do to get your ticket anyway. I never actually did a pilotage on my first ship, was never confident enough! It will hard for me to get that confidence as well.

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  • Lewis
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    You could always email ship and ask nicely for them to make one up and post it to you. You don't need to use the one in the TRB most companies will have their own.

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  • Chiefy
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    luckily there was an asteroid strike and th Dinosaurs died out

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  • endure
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    We had an ex BI OM in P&O who refused to acknowledge your presence unless you called him 'Sir'. Very popular he was...

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  • euan
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    haha okay then I will bear that in mind chief

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