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Orals results for all MCA Offices for OOW(D), Mates, Masters, OOW(E), 2nd E, Chiefs from 2014 to 2018

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  • wonkystonky@hotmail.com
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    I got signed up for City of glasgow in Jan and managed to keep away from warsash. I was thinking about getting in touch with nautilus to see if they were interested in looking into it. Who ever sent the email is a total scumbag and I'd like them shamed it's just hard when I'm at sea and the Internet is pants

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  • EH75
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    Originally posted by MrStealth View Post

    I got an "Oops, sorry". We're still talking about other aspects.. Well, the union are. Apparently.
    Did you ever get anywhere with this? Just curious.

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  • Midge
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    Surely there are a differences because one is Oral results the other the college results the two things are not the same as Jorgesc
    says.
    Thinking about it how would a college know the results of an exam conducted by the MCA? How can a college know where someone sat their oral. Not all will have done a mates course either.
    Perhaps this is why the MCA could not help when asked. Under FOI and GDPR laws they’d have had a problem providing even if they did know. If the question had been to the MCA what are the pass rates for your test centres then they could, as they did for Hatchorder.

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  • wonkystonky@hotmail.com
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    Screenshot_20190919_002327_com.google.android.apps.docs.jpg Well I asked the same question of city of glasgow college and there results were far more realistic.

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  • jorgesc
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    I assume those stats only relate to the academic qualification from the course ie the HND - the MCA require a higher pass mark in some subjects than the university require to pass the exam


    Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

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  • Hatchorder
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    Sorry, but someone here is telling porky pies!

    The results from the FOI request I made to the MCA showed that in 2017/2018 there were 142 entries and 66 passes making a pass rate of 46.5% for the Mates exam. For Masters there were 48 entries and 28 passes making a pass rate of 58.3%. This gives a combined total of 190 examinations and 94 passes. This gives a combined pass rate of 49.5%.

    I cannot see how Warsash can claim there was a pass rate of 87.7%...............

    Someone is either blatantly lying or they have a different set of statistics and criteria to the MCA..............

    Also if you look back through their results there was never anywhere near that level of pass rate historically. If they are saying that over half of the entrants were not their entries and virtually all of their candidates passed and virtually every other candidate failed then I call bull**** - based on my own sons experience on a Mates course where I believe the pass rate was about 25%??????

    It does not add up does it?

    Ian.

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  • EH75
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    Is be absolutely astonished if they were getting a pass rate of almost 90% given what I've heard about Warsash over the last couple of years.

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  • wonkystonky@hotmail.com
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    I emailed the MCA asking for info on the latest results from warsash for chmates/master HND full and glasgow. They said I should try the colleges direct so I did and I posted the Glasgow results in college specific thread. Then I got my reply from warsash which contradicts Hatchorder results. See screenshot of the email I received Screenshot_20190917_202108_com.microsoft.office.outlook.jpg ??????

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  • CharlieDelta
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    Originally posted by EH75 View Post
    Driving tests are the immediate ones that spring to mind where you are left alone with the examiner and allegations could be made. Does anyone know if these are recorded?
    They're not at the moment but they're looking into body-worn cameras for examiners. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-40886319

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  • EH75
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    I see where you are coming from and agree CCTV would be better in all respects. I suspect they don't want CCTV because it would probably result in a massive increase in exam appeals because there would be hard evidence of how an exam went whereas at the moment its your word against theirs.

    I wonder how other industries deal with it. Driving tests are the immediate ones that spring to mind where you are left alone with the examiner and allegations could be made. Does anyone know if these are recorded?

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  • CharlieDelta
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    Originally posted by EH75 View Post

    Speaking of modernising, good article in this months telegraph regarding the practice of female candidates being provided with "chaperones" in the Southampton office. If the MCA can't trust their employees to be alone in a room with a woman for an hour I suggest they need to look for some new examiners.
    I think it's for the examiner's benefit rather than the candidate so there's no question of any impropriety. If you put yourself in the examiner's shoes, would you want one false allegation to forever colour your reputation? The mistake they have made is assuming that only women make such claims. They don't. Dishonest people do, male and female. In making this assumption, in associating dishonesty with gender, they have created a very awkward culture where women are not getting the same exam experience as men and may feel singled out. I know I would.

    The only sensible option is to record all exams by CCTV to protect examiners and candidates. This could then also be used for appeals, quality control and training. Either that or have a second person in all exams, but CCTV is cheaper!

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  • kayak
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    So the statistics for Mates(unlimited) orals at Aberdeen in 2016/17 are definitely incorrect. I know for a fact that I wasn't the only person to pass, I know of a few!

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  • MrStealth
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    Originally posted by EH75 View Post
    So did you get a refund on your resit or any other recompense or an apology or anything? I would've expected both at a minimum?
    I got an "Oops, sorry". We're still talking about other aspects.. Well, the union are. Apparently.

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  • EH75
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    So did you get a refund on your resit or any other recompense or an apology or anything? I would've expected both at a minimum?

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  • MrStealth
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    Originally posted by EH75 View Post
    Interesting. Any details on the circumstances of the appeals? If that's not too personal a question. And they will actually retrospectively change the result of the exam? I thought the best you could hope for was a free resit!
    Examiner asked a question relating to vessel lights (does a vessel doing XXX show YYY?). I answered per the rule book (she'd show ZZZ because of blah blah blah), examiner marked it as incorrect and failed me. Asked lecturers, classmates and a few industry contacts, all of whom confirmed I gave the right answer. Appealed to the MCA via the union, took 4 or 5 months and a lot of hounding before the MCA got back to me, but eventually the appeal was successful... Examiner hadn't understood the rule. Worth noting I'd already passed the resit by the time they got back to me though!

    The chaperones article made for interesting reading. I'm amazed the MCA haven't followed the route taken by every major university and examination body in the UK and insisted every exam is recorded on CCTV.

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