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  • HNC Vs HND when it comes to chief mates

    Hi,

    I've been searching the web and the different college websites looking at the course lengths for future Chief Mates courses when it comes round to it. I'm currently part way through my cadet ship on the HNC route. There are lots of different courses listed on the Warsash and Fleetwood website so I was hoping somebody may be able to clarify some stuff for me.

    Would I be correct in saying:

    HND topup is 26 weeks long and is to be completed directly after qualifying as an OOW.
    https://fleetwoodnautical.blackpool....course/mh1he32

    If you then complete your HND, it'll then be another 25 weeks for your chief mates.
    https://fleetwoodnautical.blackpool....ourse/mx1ec240

    If you don't complete your HND and go straight to chief mates from HNC level, it'll take 52 weeks which will include your HND and then your chief mates?
    https://fleetwoodnautical.blackpool....course/mh1he01

    Is this correct?
    Is this the only difference between the courses?

    Thanks.

  • #2
    The guys I know who went from HNC to Chief Mates recently were only away from work for around 3-4 months, so I'd say 52 weeks isn't correct. As for an exact answer, I'm not sure.

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    • #3
      Sega, that's how I understand it too. The HNC jump to Chief Mate was always three terms at college (effectively a year). The other option might be what's now called a 'blended learning' Mates course, i.e. you do some of the HND academic study at sea, thus reducing college time to two terms. Colleges are starting to introduce these to get round visa restrictions for foreign students.

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      • #4
        Having spoke to a colleague who has just done it he advises with a HNC the entire course length at Shields can be as little as 3 months to Chief Officer CoC, this includes the academic subjects and oral prep. Some colleges offer longer courses which aim to prepare you more and increase your chances of success, and as mentioned some allow you to distance learn the academics, minimising college time.

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        • #5
          If you have an HNC then the mates course is a full academic year.

          If you have an HND the mates course is one term (i.e. about three and a half months).

          If you have a FD the mates course is usually 4-6 weeks.


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          • #6
            Hi guys,

            I am looking into this at the moment and hoping for some advice.

            I have checked Glasgow, South Shields and Warsash. None of them seem to offer the HNC to chief mates route. From my reading they only offer the HND to chief mate or degree to chief mate. Am I reading that correctly?

            If someone does a cadetship on an HNC how do they get onto a chief mates course? Do they have to go and do the HND top up first?

            Thanks for any help.


            https://www.cityofglasgowcollege.ac....oup-2018-08-13

            https://www.cityofglasgowcollege.ac....hnd-2018-08-27

            https://www.warsashacademy.co.uk/cou...e-details.aspx

            https://www.warsashacademy.co.uk/cou...e-details.aspx

            http://www.stc.ac.uk/marine-school/c...utical-science

            http://www.stc.ac.uk/marine-school/c...oute-stcw-aii2

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Ullevi View Post
              Hi guys,

              I am looking into this at the moment and hoping for some advice.

              I have checked Glasgow, South Shields and Warsash. None of them seem to offer the HNC to chief mates route. From my reading they only offer the HND to chief mate or degree to chief mate. Am I reading that correctly?

              If someone does a cadetship on an HNC how do they get onto a chief mates course? Do they have to go and do the HND top up first?

              Thanks for any help.


              https://www.cityofglasgowcollege.ac....oup-2018-08-13

              https://www.cityofglasgowcollege.ac....hnd-2018-08-27

              https://www.warsashacademy.co.uk/cou...e-details.aspx

              https://www.warsashacademy.co.uk/cou...e-details.aspx

              http://www.stc.ac.uk/marine-school/c...utical-science

              http://www.stc.ac.uk/marine-school/c...oute-stcw-aii2

              Hi,
              If you do a HNC Cadetship the Chief Mates course will include the HND top up usually so you shouldn't need to do a separate HND top-up. Fleetwood offer the HNC to Chief mates https://fleetwoodnautical.blackpool....course/mh1he43

              If you do a HND Cadetship this will provide academic exemption to Chief Mates, hence the shorter course to achieve the Chief Mates ticket.
              I've made sure to get on a HND cadetship instead of HNC this year for this reason.

              Hope this makes sense.

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              • #8
                Forgot to check Fleetwood!

                Ah ok thanks for that. I was worried it would be another separate course.

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                • #9
                  I had a feeling the academic exemptions for Chief Mate ended for everyone who started the SPD/FD course after 2015? I was told I was in the last batch (Aug 2015) that would get the Chief Mates excemptions - the OOW SQA are still excepted.

                  I know that I'll have to go back and sit my Chief orals within 7 years and also get some M level short courses done. Apparently the whole lot can be covered in about 6 weeks which is a substantial time saving!

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by 06njack View Post
                    I had a feeling the academic exemptions for Chief Mate ended for everyone who started the SPD/FD course after 2015? I was told I was in the last batch (Aug 2015) that would get the Chief Mates excemptions - the OOW SQA are still excepted.

                    I know that I'll have to go back and sit my Chief orals within 7 years and also get some M level short courses done. Apparently the whole lot can be covered in about 6 weeks which is a substantial time saving!
                    I believe the requirement to get your mates ticket within 7 year of gainning you HND was removed early this year.

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                    • #11
                      MSN 1856

                      "Candidates who enrolled on an MNTB-approved Honours Degree, Foundation Degree or Scottish Professional Diploma prior to 01 September 2015 will be exempt from the external SQA written examinations up until 1 September 20223. You must obtain a letter from your nautical college confirming your enrolment date and submit this with your Chief Mate Certificate of Competency application. "

                      HND gets you no exemptions for Mates qualifications, only a SPD/Fd. HND (only) is the route you'd take if you did the HNC then returned to college later to top up so you can successfully sit the written SQAs for Chiefs?

                      We did graded unit exams through the SPD and a large management project that got us exemptions for the Mates.

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