Cadetship second chance?

[cove]

Hi,

When I was 17 I started a cadetship with Maersk and during my second sea trip (phase2) I made the stupid decison to leave. Now at the grand old age of 22 I am looking to go back and try again and have only had replies from 2 companies, both rejections. Clyde marine informed me that there is no funding available to applicants who have been funded before and after speaking with them I'm feeling that there really is no hope for us idiots who need a second chance.

Does anyone have any experience with this situation and could advise me on the best way to proceed from here?

Thanks in advance.

[Ducki52]

There's a few threads about this already on the site, and the general consensus is that, due to the highly competitive nature of cadet ships lately, no one will touch you. Having said that, these things are occasionally judged on a case by case basis, and If you can actually speak to a higher-up in a shipping company/agency and convince them that you are a changed man and won't quit this time around, you may be in with a chance.

As for the funding issue, no one seems to be particularly sure if SMarT funding will be released for second timers, and as a result no one is willing to take the chance. But again, it's all on a case by case basis, and the collective may be willing to welcome back a former drone.

[tlloyd1983]

Could always try a company whose cadet program is geared more towards future staff, rather than just getting tonnage tax breaks. BP+Shell, Carnival, P&O, Princess. These companies might be more willing to take you on? Worth a shot. The only other way is to work as an AB, get your requisite watchkeeping time, then take the AB>OOW route.

[Bulman]

Erm is there not a rules about this? i know for my appreticeship, i left in the first year to do this cadetship, they said i could return in a year and they would take me back (training provider), but also i could technically carry on from where i had left off until 3-5 (official rules i think), but id have to find my own company to sponsor me.

If you had the original stuff i dont get why you couldn't? obviously there may be other reasons but if you still had the work you did and got signed off etc....

[GuinnessMan]

Hi,

When I was 17 I started a cadetship with Maersk and during my second sea trip (phase2) I made the stupid decison to leave. Now at the grand old age of 22 I am looking to go back and try again and have only had replies from 2 companies, both rejections. Clyde marine informed me that there is no funding available to applicants who have been funded before and after speaking with them I'm feeling that there really is no hope for us idiots who need a second chance.

Does anyone have any experience with this situation and could advise me on the best way to proceed from here?

Thanks in advance.

As has been said in the other threads covering this, getting back in is a near impossibility. SMarT won't cover you for a second crack at it and no other company is going to shell out the cash to pay for you without their being a damn good reason why you left the first time. It's certainly not going to be conditions as Maersk is one of the better cadet recruiters going, so WHY did you drop out the first time?

[tlloyd1983]

As has been said in the other threads covering this, getting back in is a near impossibility. SMarT won't cover you for a second crack at it and no other company is going to shell out the cash to pay for you without their being a damn good reason why you left the first time. It's certainly not going to be conditions as Maersk is one of the better cadet recruiters going, so WHY did you drop out the first time?

Her name was Lola, she was a showgirl...

[Aleorea]

Knew one cadet at college that did one phase as a deck cadet but didn't like it, then the next year came back as an engine cadet with a different company. Not sure as to how he did it.

[cove]

The only other way is to work as an AB, get your requisite watchkeeping time, then take the AB>OOW route.

Anyone able to point me in the right direction to gain employment as AB? I have my EDH ticket but I've been struggling to find companies who are willing to take on a trainee. Is it easy enough to progress to OOW from AB?

I will continue firing in applications and crossing my fingers. Anyone able to tell me the companies most likely to entertain the idea of taking me on?

[GuinnessMan]

Anyone able to point me in the right direction to gain employment as AB? I have my EDH ticket but I've been struggling to find companies who are willing to take on a trainee. Is it easy enough to progress to OOW from AB?

I will continue firing in applications and crossing my fingers. Anyone able to tell me the companies most likely to entertain the idea of taking me on?

Taken into consideration the MN is becoming a popular career again with shed loads of people applying for very limited spaces --> None.

AB? Can go work for the RFA (look to Rumration for more info on that) or try and get on one of the North Sea Boats.

[tlloyd1983]

Or Ferries...

Don't forget you cannot simply start as an AB, you will have to start as a regular seaman. Then you need to progress up to an AB, then start building up watch keeping time. You need to have 3 years sea time, with 6 months in the last 12 spent on active watch keeping duties, so baring in mind you might want to have a month off here and there, look at about 5-6 years as an AB. You also need to have the following certificates: Medical First Aid, Advanced Fire Fighting, Proficiency in Survival Craft and Rescue Boats, GMDSS GOC, and EDH, well, you already have an EDH. Look at spending about 3-4 grand on getting all those. Then you need to spend 26 weeks in training (Warsash's rates for the AB>OOW course are currently 9 grand all in, but allow for inflation, etc).

Good luck!

[tlloyd1983]

Quick Google search came up with STC's offering: http://www.stc.ac.uk/content/marine-...utical-science

[Aleorea]

Anyone able to point me in the right direction to gain employment as AB? I have my EDH ticket but I've been struggling to find companies who are willing to take on a trainee. Is it easy enough to progress to OOW from AB?

I will continue firing in applications and crossing my fingers. Anyone able to tell me the companies most likely to entertain the idea of taking me on?

Only company I know that takes British (presuming you are British) trainee AB's on is Calmac the Scottish Ferries, and possibly Putford-Seacor on Standby. British AB's are a dying breed, it wont be long until no company's hire them. Problem is that generally speaking they moan too far much, meaning hassel for company's. There are plenty jobs in the north sea paying good money for ab's but they are looking for people from other EU countries such as Lativa and Portugal who do the job and don't moan as much.

[tlloyd1983]

Only company I know that takes British (presuming you are British) trainee AB's on is Calmac the Scottish Ferries, and possibly Putford-Seacor on Standby. British AB's are a dying breed, it wont be long until no company's hire them. Problem is that generally speaking they moan too far much, meaning hassel for company's. There are plenty jobs in the north sea paying good money for ab's but they are looking for people from other EU countries such as Lativa and Portugal who do the job and don't moan as much.

Can think of a few others:
RFA, Royal Navy of course, Foreland Shipping (there is a job advertised at the moment for an AB http://we.bibbyshipmanagement.com/Seagoing-Vacancies), Red Funnel, Wight Link, British Antarctic Survey. But true, they aren't that many.

[alistairuk]

Erm is there not a rules about this? i know for my appreticeship, i left in the first year to do this cadetship, they said i could return in a year and they would take me back (training provider), but also i could technically carry on from where i had left off until 3-5 (official rules i think), but id have to find my own company to sponsor me.

If you had the original stuff i dont get why you couldn't? obviously there may be other reasons but if you still had the work you did and got signed off etc....

Have a read of MGN 455, http://www.dft.gov.uk/mca/mgn455.pdf

[Bulman]

The TP must make every effort to check whether SMarT has already been claimed by
another TP for each trainee as part of their recruitment procedures. Evidence must be
retained by the TP as this will be checked at audit. Where SMarT has been claimed in full
by another TP, no further SMarT funding will be payable. However, where only some
SMarT has been paid, the TP may claim the remaining instalments (up to a maximum of
150) to enable the trainee to continue their training

does that not help him, as it is unlikely all his SMarT funding has been claimed? I'm just guessing here but i suppose apprenticeships are different to cadetships.