Just a couple of last questions to clear up before my interview.

[Ozz]

Hey folks,

Just a couple of questions I've struggled to get answers for that are likely to crop up in my interview.
The interview is for an apprenticeship with clyde marine as an ETO.

What the working hours are? (simple but struggling to find an answer)

What kind of equipment do you think you'll be using?
So far all I have is a multimeter, mega, laptop and occasionally an oscilliscope... is that enough for an answer?

What tasks do you think you will be expected to perform ? (Don't know what tasks cadets get given, at the start I would imagine the kind of jobs nobody else wants to do)



Thanks in advance for the help

Ozz

[Clanky]

Working hours for an ETO / ETO cadet will normally be 8 to 5 plus arrivals and departures from port, but you would be expected to turn to whenever needed.

The last ETO cadets I sailed with (around 3 years ago) followed the engine cadet syllabus for the most part, with a few modifications specific to ETO's and qualified at the end with an OOW (engineering) certificate of competency. Can anyone else please confirm whether or not this is till the case?

As an ETO your basic analytical tools will be a multi meter and an insulation (megger) tester, you may use more specialised test equipment supplied by the manufacturer on some equipment, as a cadet you will be expected to shadow the ships officers from the start and should gradually be given more and more tasks to complete yourself (under supervision) as you gain knowledge and experience.

[Chiefy]

There is some confusion, I think it depends on the college, the ETO course is still evolving, however a lot of it is based around core engineering principles etc, so dont be surprised if there is a lot of cross over.

I am the same Clanky, my last ETO cadet is now actually a lecturer at STC...small world But they did as you say, mainly engineering with electrics bolted on here and there, which makes sense to me

We currently dont have any ETO cadets but that might change as they join the fold and become certified (Smart funding for first ticket)

[electrolytic_coffee]

Hi all,

Im currently on the FD ETO route, which is the only ETO course (that is not just an add on to the standard engineers course) and it is very very new. It is only being held at South Shields college so if you apply and get it then thats where you will be going.

COurse syllabus is eletronic and electrical principles, you will study to pass the AMERC( www.amerc.ac.uk) exam which is an external qualification but you study for it on the course. Also, you will study electronic control principles and also later on radio comms systems and electronic navigation systems. In addition to his you have a workshop portfolio to complete which is everything from constructing tray plating and trunking to lay cables through to the higher end electronics such as building circuits, fault finding etc...

You will also study engineering maths and very basic mechanical engineering principles (to give the rest of you any idea this includes 2nd moment of area, eulars theory, pully systems and inertia etc... but not much more than that).

The eto ticket or CoC is still at discussion stage to nail out its finer points but we are told it does exist but it is not a watch keepers certificate. On ship my duties were day work, but it largely depended on what type of ship you were on. I was on a cruise ship and the hours were a lot longer and the work was very repetitive but it was a good start. On my second ship, a buoy tender again i was day work only but got to work on a lot more of the below decks electrical systems aswell but also comms, IT, refrigeration and monitoring systems (engine sensors and so on) were my standard working fare aswell mostly it was testing for the planned maintainence on board and then the very occasional fault finding (which to be honest the IT systems go wrong more than anything else). Im not clyde however so my experience maybe slightly different to yours, my class mates are on here aswell who are clyde and they will no doubt also reply later.

But yes youve got the equipment pretty much, meggers and multimeters mainly, at college you will deffo use scopes, not so much on ships. Not much more really, occasionally a logic probe but again that would be at college more than anything.


Hope ive helped a bit at least sorry for the wall of text!! If you need any further info please ask or PM me ill be glad to help.

[ETwhat?]

If your going to Clyde you will be doing the dedicated ETO course, and the main difference is that it's a full course geared just to electrical stuff, rather than the old style (still run by warsash) where you really only get 6 months electrical above the standard of the engineers. which is best will really only become known as and when the new CoC gets the first lot of people qualified.

most of the job is either routine testing and condition monitoring of everything with wires, or fault finding it, some things have dedicated test equipment but really most of it is being able to work out where to poke the multimeter, line tester, insulation resistance tester.

Its probably worth pointing out more for the Chiefs, that not only is the workshop skills book that we complete in college completely different to the EOOW but we also get a different TRB which apart from the safety which is comon to all cadets, is baised solely on electrical work so there no tracing of systems etc.

[ETwhat?]

[QUOTE=Clanky;40871]
The last ETO cadets I sailed with (around 3 years ago) followed the engine cadet syllabus for the most part, with a few modifications specific to ETO's and qualified at the end with an OOW (engineering) certificate of competency. Can anyone else please confirm whether or not this is till the case?

QUOTE]

Yes and No, the old system is still available but as you say they qualify with an EOOW CoC the dedicated course qualifies as an ETO CoC as far as the info seems to read while no ship will be forced to carry an ETO but if they decide that its needed then it will be the ETO CoC that is required,