Evergreen or Paccship? Glasgow/Fleetwood/Warsaash?

[cfc3867]

I have been offered a Deck Cadetship through SSTG for January 2012 with a choice of two sponsoring companies. Evergreen or Paccship. I also have to choose what college to study at, i have three options; Glasgow, Fleetwood or Warsaash. I live in Newcastle, UK. I was hoping that some current cadets could advise me on the pros and cons of each college, and what their personal preference is.

Thanks a lot,

Connor.

[Beef1992]

Evergreen are there for one reason only for tonnage tax , reductions they flag some ships With the British ensign and hire cadets for tax breaks . There not interested in training you , and other cadet i know who have been with them say the crew couldnt give a toss .

I also know a cadet who was with Paccship he said they were ok However chinese crews

[gadget123]

Evergreen are there for one reason only for tonnage tax , reductions they flag some ships With the British ensign and hire cadets for tax breaks . There not interested in training you , and other cadet i know who have been with them say the crew couldnt give a toss .

I also know a cadet who was with Paccship he said they were ok However chinese crews

you could say that about a lot of companies.

[Brimbo]

A lad in my class was with everygreen, and like Beef1992 said, they totally dis-regarded him, he rang SSTG 1 week after being there, they refused to sign (or even look at his TRB) and he spent everyday cleaning the decks since he joined, Left after the ship hit its first port, quit and re-joined with North Star.
I'd say Pacship

[Faust]

When it really comes down to it, every company is in it for the tax break. I have spoken to some cadets who say that they have enjoyed their time with Evergreen, mostly phase five cadets. Equally, I have spoken to cadets with Paccship that have hated it and others who thought they were fine.

If it were me, I would pick Evergreen and go to Warsash.

[GuinnessMan]

Paccship are a decent company from what I hear, however each persons experience will be different.

When it comes to College, I highly recommend Warsash Maritime Academy. Our company have just sent a cadet there and the facilities they have sound pretty damn good. If I was you I would avoid Glasgow like the plague.

[NickH]

I am currently with paccship and they are a decent company to work for so far. Although i havent been to see with them yet, i already know that i will most likely be with chinese/indonesian crew....overall paccship is a good company to work for!

[size4riggerboots]

A lad in my class was with everygreen, and like Beef1992 said, they totally dis-regarded him, he rang SSTG 1 week after being there, they refused to sign (or even look at his TRB) and he spent everyday cleaning the decks since he joined, Left after the ship hit its first port, quit and re-joined with North Star.
I'd say Pacship

Riiiight,y'know, I actually read that as "He cleaned decks for a week and threw his toys out of the pram because he didn't like being the bottom of the heap" Most people spend good few months cleaning, chipping, painting etc before they get near the bridge, no one's going to sign stuff off after a week, and if he jumped ship at the first port he really wasn't giving it a fair chance. How did he find North Star then?

[Brimbo]

Riiiight,y'know, I actually read that as "He cleaned decks for a week and threw his toys out of the pram because he didn't like being the bottom of the heap" Most people spend good few months cleaning, chipping, painting etc before they get near the bridge, no one's going to sign stuff off after a week, and if he jumped ship at the first port he really wasn't giving it a fair chance. How did he find North Star then?

I meant as in he literally only cleaned the decks for his first week, he wasn't given a safety tour etc. none of the crew spoke to him etc, he knew he was getting no-where, when he rang Evergreen they told him its his choice, far as I know they had a word with his crew and whatever happened. He is fine with North Star, only got 2months sea-time with them though in phase 2.

[GuinnessMan]

So he only cleaned decks for a week? And? Thats not that bad. I spent my first week practically crawling through bilges tracing pipework (and possibly using my boilersuit as a cleaning tool)!

I agree with S4 here, he didn't really give it much of a chance then did he?

[cfc3867]

Thanks for the quick responses guys, its much appreciated. Very informative. What college would you recommend based on the facilities, campus etc etc. I don't want to start a 'my college is better than your college' kind of scenario, but from your point of view, which one do you think i would get the most out of my training from?

Thanks, Connor

[size4riggerboots]

Haha! You're more likely to end up with a "my college is ****ter than yours" competition. Warsash cadets seem to be the least disgruntled, they've got a pretty decent campus down there from what I can make out they seem pretty happy with the teaching standards too, plus of course they're in the south with the nice weather and Southampton just up the road. Frankly if any of them think about complaining they need a slap. Fleetwood is undergoing a big old refurb at the mo, will be able to tell more about it when I get back on Wed, but as far as the teaching goes, it is highly regarded. Glasgow, I've not heard much positive about, STC seem happy with the night life, but as to facilities or teaching standards they don't say much.

[Brimbo]

So he only cleaned decks for a week? And? Thats not that bad. I spent my first week practically crawling through bilges tracing pipework (and possibly using my boilersuit as a cleaning tool)!

I agree with S4 here, he didn't really give it much of a chance then did he?

I think it was more the fact he wasn't given an interest in, none of the officers acknowledged him, he wasn't shown any of the safety assets of the vessel, im sure your meant to have a safety tour of the vessel in the first 24hours of being there..

[The H]

Solas 2009 States

Regulation 19
Emergency training and drills

1 This regulation applies to all ships.

2 Familiarity with safety installations and practice musters

2.1 Every crew member with assigned emergency duties shall be familiar with these duties before the
voyage begins.

2.2 On a ship engaged on a voyage where passengers are scheduled to be on board for more than 24 h,
musters of the passengers shall take place within 24 h after their embarkation. Passengers shall be instructed
in the use of the lifejackets and the action to take in an emergency.

2.3 Whenever new passengers embark, a passenger safety briefing shall be given immediately before
sailing, or immediately after sailing. The briefing shall include the instructions required by regulations 8.2
and 8.4, and shall be made by means of an announcement, in one or more languages likely to be
understood by the passengers. The announcement shall be made on the ship's public address system, or by
other equivalent means likely to be heard at least by the passengers who have not yet heard it during the
voyage. The briefing may be included in the muster required by paragraph 2.2 if the muster is held
immediately upon departure. Information cards or posters or video programmes displayed on ships video
displays may be used to supplement the briefing, but may not be used to replace the announcement.

[ETwhat?]

I would kinda expect the TRB induction sheet to be done within the first couple of weeks of being on a ship and its easier done in chunks rather than trying to get it all signed off in one go