University course

[dobbie832]

Would the course below be of any use to me? Would I be able to do the course and at the end it would put me in a better position to then apply to a company? Or would I be better off not bothering and just take the cadetship route?

http://www.ncl.ac.uk/undergraduate/cour ... ngineering

Cheers

[steamer]

Re: University course

Go straight for the cadetship

[RNR]

Re: University course

Do the cadetship. Your sponsor pays for the course and accomadation so you have no student debt, you get weekly pay and you have guaranteed sea time with your sponsor which, if they don't take you on in the end, gives you work experience and qualifications when applying for other companies.

[dawg]

Re: University course

The BEng top-up, paid for as part of your cadetship, may be awarded by them anyway. The head of that department is an ex-cadet, and admits officers to join the course part way through to do a BEng/MEng... not sure if it's really necessary though. Personal recommendations from bosses may carry you further.

[GuinnessMan]

Re: University course

Some of what Dawg says is true. Personal recommendations (especially this industry) will help. This industry isn't actually all that big, most higher-ups tend to know each other or have worked with each other at some stage.

A degree is good, but so is your EOOW. If you have that then great, it means you know (or are supposed to know) what you are doing in the Engine Room.

[mnwanabe]

Re: University course

just out of curiosity does the HNC, HND, degree or whatever make much difference once completed-like does somebody with a HND have much better prospects than somebody with an HNC and stuff? like would they get payed more once qualified?

[steamer]

Re: University course

There is no difference at all (seagoing), however should you wish to go ashore it's worth topping up once you're eligable-although once you have the experience and contacts, you might not need to at all! Try to put the academic politics out of your mind, they are simply different routes to learning the same information.
A lot of FD cadets wish they were on the HND route, as your learning develops more in time with the experience that you gain at sea.

[mnwanabe]

Re: University course

thanks thats just what i wanted to hear

[Beef1992]

Re: University course

Although on the FD we do get exemptions later on for cheifs tickets 2nds tickets etc.

Im not sure if this is true but regarding the Change in Certification
Hnc cadet will gain a 4e Ticket when completed
and FD will achive a 3E ticket once qualified.

Although this might just be due to the change that people starting in 2011+ will gain a 4E tickets
but people starting before 2010 will get a 3E ticket


Info on the FD

What are Foundation Degrees?
Foundation Degrees are designed to appeal to learners wishing to enter a profession as well as those seeking continuing professional development. Foundation Degrees provide self-standing qualifications of specific value, but they can also provide pathways for lifelong learning and the opportunity to progress to other qualifications. Foundation Degrees will normally link to at least one programme leading to a bachelors degree with honours.

What are the benefits of Foundation Degrees?
Partnership and collaboration between employers and providers of higher education, the planned integration of work-based skills and academic learning and the relevance of skills and their application in a work-based environment are all central to the concept of the Foundation Degree. The distinctive features of Foundation Degrees align very closely with the planned and progressive nature of cadet training in the merchant navy and fit well with the industry?s agenda for maintaining and enhancing the quality and effectiveness of training ? and for attracting more high calibre people into the industry.

Will Foundation Degrees replace the existing Higher National Diplomas?
The Foundation Degree will replace the HND for those with the right ability and will focus on achievement of the skills, knowledge and understanding needed for the highest levels of ?STCW? certification. It is envisaged that training schemes incorporating a Foundation Degree will become the mainstream entry for those who are recruited and trained as officer cadets (i.e. individuals who are committed to going to sea from the outset but may progress in different directions at a later stage of their careers).

When will Foundation Degree-based programmes be available?
The target for the first enrolments on to Foundation Degree programmes is September 2006. It is expected that the existing HND-based schemes will continue for a transitional period after that. This will safeguard supply during the transitional period and provide a fall-back position should there be any difficulties in recruiting for the Foundation Degree.

How will Foundation Degrees ?add value? to officer training?
From the outset, the programmes leading to a Foundation Degree will include an introduction to management competences alongside the technical content. The planned articulation to an Honours level degree gives the opportunity to take this further and enable senior officers to better develop competencies for managing projects, managing people, managing emergency situations should they occur and managing the overall business of the ship.

My company operates within a part of the industry that doesn?t need so-called ?high-fliers? and I doubt that the Foundation Degree programme would be appropriate for our cadet training and the types of officers we want. Will I have to use this programme or will there be an alternative that will meet my needs?
Alternative training programmes will continue to be available for:

* those sections of the industry where degree-level programmes are not appropriate and to provide an entry route for potential officers and ratings who have the right attributes, motivation and ambition to succeed but not the academic standard appropriate for Foundation Degree entry;
* individuals holding relevant qualifications obtained prior to entry, including graduates and engineering apprentices;
* serving seafarers seeking to upgrade their skills and qualifications.

[dawg]

Re: University course

Some of what Dawg says is true.

Some?!
Which bits are wrong, out of interest? :P (...for the wiki )

[GuinnessMan]

Re: University course

"Im not sure if this is true but regarding the Change in Certification
Hnc cadet will gain a 4e Ticket when completed
and FD will achive a 3E ticket once qualified."

Im sorry, thats a load of nonsense. For starters, there is no 3E ticket, and the HNC/HND/FD are not connected to your ticket. When your at sea you complete a portfolio which leads you to a S/NVQ in Marine Engineering Operations. That is what is connected to your ticket.

[penfold]

Re: University course

I was going to say; what in the wide, wide world of sports is a 3/E ticket? Do you get them from kelloggs maybe, save up a dozen boxtops and send them in with a ?5 postal order?

[Chiefy]

Re: University course

pheeeweeeeee was thinking I had missed something a 3e ticket?

Now there did used to be such a thing long long long ago (before even chiefy was a cadet....now thats a while a go )

This relates to the wages thread a bitty too, some companies pay you more for have a higher accademic level, but it really isnt a lot....1k over a year iirc, some also pay you more for higher ticket, so 2nd with 2nds gets ?x and 2nd with Chiefs gets ?x+ a bit, partly to encourage poepl to go to college and partly to reward such effirts, but in the frand scheme once you are 2nd (or mate) then the wages start to balance out regarles academic level previously achieved

[Beef1992]

Re: University course

Im sure a lecturer was on about it he must of been chatting bollocks . as i didnt think there was a 3rd engineers ticket .

It was while he talking on about a change in the STCW.

[Chiefy]

Re: University course

He might be talking about the 2 different chiefs and seconds tickets.....You can have a Restricted Chief's ticket which wont let you go deep sea or over certain enigne powers, I assume there is the same at 2nd's so that "might" be seen as a 3rds tickets?-----Maybe?