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  • ETO
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    Hi, I completed my ETO cadet ship at STC in 2010, I ma now serving as an ETO in the north sea after doing some trips as ETO on super yachts. As far as the merchant navy is concerned ETO's are a new thing, most companies still class this rank as electrician, some have two classes, electrician and electrical engineer, both from a pure electrical background. Electro Technical Officer courses are designed to give you a superior technical knowledge of marine equipment, this is why the EOOW is done aswell. the MCA are bringing in a COC for ETO's and colleges are started to teach ETO courses without the EOOW to increase the electrical and electronic knowledge gained (I think the EOOW should still be on ETO courses as well as it gives ETO's a good general knowledge of the ship with the advantage of the more technical side of things as well)
    Once you have ETO status you can take it to cruise ships or any marine industry that employs electrical personnel. The yachting industry and private leisure shipping industry have a more clear view of ETO's, they are fully recognized and most large yachts will carry 3rd 2nd and chief ETO. Yachts are also where an ETO can gain the most experience, and the most money.

    If you have any questions I would be happy to answer them.

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  • dawg
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    Re: ETO courses at different colleges

    Originally posted by Beef1992
    Is this eto cadet you refer to rather attractive if so , then it could be the french Electrotech lecturer at STC
    I'm sure that ETO will blush when he hears about that... ooh la la

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  • Beef1992
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    Re: ETO courses at different colleges

    Is this eto cadet you refer to rather attractive if so , then it could be the french Electrotech lecturer at STC

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  • chris
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    Re: ETO courses at different colleges

    Originally posted by MopofOliver
    From talking to companies yesterday, those that do Electro tech cadetships, seem to send to SS, I'm left wondering who actually sends to Warsash? Appart from the RFA Engines you mention...
    I heard that Maersk send 'ETO' cadets to Warsash although they don't specifically recruit for ETOs. Is that correct Chiefy?

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  • dawg
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    Re: ETO courses at different colleges

    Originally posted by Brimbo
    Originally posted by dawg
    The course at SS is unique. They don't do that course at WMA.
    The SS ETO course doesn't give you the engineering CoC that you need to become a Chief; but it's still a perfectly good career in it's own right.
    The ETO course (HND) gives you a engineering CoC and a electrical ticket, though with adding the ETO to your course you aren't completely exempt from your 2nd's and Chief's, though you are with 2 or 3 subjects I believe. In phase 5 you move to more electrical based lectures, though you still have mechanical mixed in there,
    Interesting, I've never heard of any other ETO course at STC... there's nothing about it on their site:
    http://www.stc.ac.uk/content/marine-college/degrees

    The course I'm talking about is the FdEng Marine Electrical and Electronic Engineering, which when I asked (more than one source), didn't come with any CoC.

    This is the info I was given at the time by STC (SS, as I was calling it sorry!)...
    The current ETO scheme has two units of the Marine Engineering HND removed and substituted with two other units ?Radio Maintenance? and ?Electronic Navigation Systems?. Hence the current ETO scheme undertake Marine Engineering training with some ETO elements.
    Their programme outcomes are:
    ? HND in Marine Engineering
    ? EOOW Certificate of Competency
    ? Exemptions from Second Engineer academic subjects

    The new ETO scheme does not provide the EOOW Certificate of Competency qualification and trains people specifically for the role of Electro Technical Officer, rather than a hybrid engineer.
    Its programme outcomes are:
    Foundation Degree
    Exemptions from Chief ETO examinations
    MCA Certificate

    The ETO to EOOW conversion is the same programme as the Graduate Entry scheme which allows any student who holds a HND or higher qualification to enter the Merchant Navy. Your existing qualifications will exempt you from the course elements of the training, but you would need to undertake the Engineering Workshop Skills (17 weeks full time), EOOW knowledge (11 weeks full time) and then 6 months sea service. The exact requirements are defined by the MCA in their Letter of Initial Assessment. Again you would need a company sponsor to provide the course fees and sea service. For your information the fees for this are Workshop ?3600, EOOW course ?590 plus the STCW safety courses.
    Its programme outcome are:
    ? EOOW Certificate of Competency only
    This one's from a company...
    Warsash's ETO cadetship is the engineers + ETO Units. South Tyneside's (STC) is a stand alone ETO foundation degree program which doesnt lead to EOOW.
    I hope that helps. Info is quite hard to get hold of, and I collected a fair bit and would like to put it on here to help clarify what's what (...and maybe inspire the relevant organisations to provide more and better quality info).

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  • Brimbo
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    Re: ETO courses at different colleges

    Originally posted by dawg
    The course at SS is unique. They don't do that course at WMA.
    The SS ETO course doesn't give you the engineering CoC that you need to become a Chief; but it's still a perfectly good career in it's own right.
    The ETO course (HND) gives you a engineering CoC and a electrical ticket, though with adding the ETO to your course you aren't completely exempt from your 2nd's and Chief's, though you are with 2 or 3 subjects I believe. In phase 5 you move to more electrical based lectures, though you still have mechanical mixed in there,

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  • Steve
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    Re: ETO courses at different colleges

    Originally posted by The H
    It may be "current", but it is very badly written. I think not by an actual RFA SE officer.

    There is only one SEO on a ship - the Systems Engineering Officer, head of the Systems Engineering department. The other officers of the department are simply SEs, perhaps one is DSEO if such a title exists on the larger ships. There is of course no need to distinguish between engineering officers and ratings - officers are Engineers, ratings are Motormen.

    Above all, you?ll need to be concerned with
    the welfare, morale, training and development of
    the skilled engineering ratings and, as your career
    progresses, junior officers, who?ll look to you for
    expertise, management and leadership.
    Utter bollocks! An SE, other than the SEO who manages the PO(SE), is not responsible for any aspect of managing motormen, other than if they are directly assigned to assist him with a particular task. It's a hands-on, do-it-yourself post, same as any junior engineering post in the MN, but even moreso than the ME branch. There are very few Motormen(SE) and they generally assist the PO(SE) in whatever it is he actually does. Changes light bulbs or something. ;-) Smells like it was written by the Royal Navy, for the Royal Navy. RFA recruitment cell should be ashamed.

    As Chief Officer, you?re one step away
    from becoming a Captain.
    Technically true, but there is only one Captain(SE) who serves as some sort of head of branch in a shore post. I notice they've just copied the same wording from the cadetship leaflet

    It's all a bit too fantasy.

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  • Chiefy
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    Re: ETO courses at different colleges

    Hmmmm the STC course used to give you the Class IV when doing ETO as we had a french cadet called ( who shares her name with a famous lady from the Renault adverts) she did ETO / Class IV still an ETO as far as I know

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  • MopofOliver
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    Re: ETO courses at different colleges

    I don't think engine is the way for me really, although I'd find it utterly intreguing.

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  • dawg
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    Re: ETO courses at different colleges

    The course at SS is unique. They don't do that course at WMA.
    The SS ETO course doesn't give you the engineering CoC that you need to become a Chief; but it's still a perfectly good career in it's own right.

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  • MopofOliver
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    Re: ETO courses at different colleges

    I have to confess to getting slightly lost in amongst your replies...

    After chatting to most of the companies and some lecturers at Warsash on Friday, I think I know where I want to be. Although hopefully I will master getting to the SS open day and have a good chat with people up there.

    From talking to companies yesterday, those that do Electro tech cadetships, seem to send to SS, I'm left wondering who actually sends to Warsash? Appart from the RFA Engines you mention...

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  • dawg
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    Re: ETO courses at different colleges

    Originally posted by The H
    All RFA "ETO" cadets are sent to WMA, the term ETO is used instead of engine. Stop stating what you don't know.
    What am I stating that I don't know? (and why are you being touchy about it?!).

    The term ETO is used by WMA because it contains two additional electrical things on the syllabus, I do know this, because I've asked, and been told by the person responsible for it.
    The RFA use the term because they send their engine cadets to WMA, I also know this, because I've asked them, and they told me.
    Whether the RFA use the term because the cadets do the full ETO course at Warsash (information about that course is freely available online), or for some other reason is a moot point; but they have said that all engine cadets do the ETO course, I know this, because I've asked them, and they told me; YMMV.

    I'm just trying to help clarify what is an unnecessarily ambiguous area.
    I'm relating what have found about it through having been through some of the processes.
    The more info that we can all contribute, the more accurate and helpful it will be for people who are interested.

    Edit 18.51, 22nd Jan 2011:
    If I'm wrong, I'm happy to be corrected, as I want the info on here to be accurate.

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  • chris
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    Re: ETO courses at different colleges

    all very interesting, I was trying to answer the same CoC question last May and opted for STC, and I have very little interest in engines etc although some of the workshop tasks the engine cadets get look interesting.

    If you can, try and get to both open days to check out the workshop facilities. STC has recently replaced their high voltage faciliity, I consider the workshop and staff to be really good.

    http://safety4sea.com/article.php?id=1189

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  • The H
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    Re: ETO courses at different colleges

    All RFA "ETO" cadets are sent to WMA, the term ETO is used instead of engine. Stop stating what you don't know.

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  • dawg
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    Re: ETO courses at different colleges

    Originally posted by The H
    (Notice there is no reference to Engine cadets, they are referred to as ETOs)
    Alright, but the stuff that clarifies that point is not freely available online.

    From that document:
    while as an Officer Cadet (ETO), you?ll study for either a HND or FDEng in Marine Engineering.
    That sentence implies that all RFA "ETO" cadets can only go to WMA, because that's surely the only place where you can do an ME course on a cadetship and come out with the term "ETO" on a bit of paper.

    If the same content is covered in the course at SS as at WMA, then there must be quite a difference in course intensity. It just seems like the term "ETO" is not being used "consistently", lets say.
    It seems plausible that (in order to be able to be described as an ETO as in the bumpf) RFA-ETOs at WMA do the ENEM and GMDSS repair courses at the tail end of their cadetships, so as to keep them in sync with the courses that lead to the ME CoC,.
    It may be that it's possible for them to get the new EE CoC as well eventually... who knows!

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