Electro Technical Course Choices

[dawg]

Re: ETO courses at different colleges

All RFA "ETO" cadets are sent to WMA, the term ETO is used instead of engine. Stop stating what you don't know.

What am I stating that I don't know? (and why are you being touchy about it?!).

The term ETO is used by WMA because it contains two additional electrical things on the syllabus, I do know this, because I've asked, and been told by the person responsible for it.
The RFA use the term because they send their engine cadets to WMA, I also know this, because I've asked them, and they told me.
Whether the RFA use the term because the cadets do the full ETO course at Warsash (information about that course is freely available online), or for some other reason is a moot point; but they have said that all engine cadets do the ETO course, I know this, because I've asked them, and they told me; YMMV.

I'm just trying to help clarify what is an unnecessarily ambiguous area.
I'm relating what have found about it through having been through some of the processes.
The more info that we can all contribute, the more accurate and helpful it will be for people who are interested.

Edit 18.51, 22nd Jan 2011:
If I'm wrong, I'm happy to be corrected, as I want the info on here to be accurate.

[MopofOliver]

Re: ETO courses at different colleges

I have to confess to getting slightly lost in amongst your replies...

After chatting to most of the companies and some lecturers at Warsash on Friday, I think I know where I want to be. Although hopefully I will master getting to the SS open day and have a good chat with people up there.

From talking to companies yesterday, those that do Electro tech cadetships, seem to send to SS, I'm left wondering who actually sends to Warsash? Appart from the RFA Engines you mention...

[dawg]

Re: ETO courses at different colleges

The course at SS is unique. They don't do that course at WMA.
The SS ETO course doesn't give you the engineering CoC that you need to become a Chief; but it's still a perfectly good career in it's own right.

[MopofOliver]

Re: ETO courses at different colleges

I don't think engine is the way for me really, although I'd find it utterly intreguing.

[Chiefy]

Re: ETO courses at different colleges

Hmmmm the STC course used to give you the Class IV when doing ETO as we had a french cadet called ( who shares her name with a famous lady from the Renault adverts) she did ETO / Class IV still an ETO as far as I know

[Steve]

Re: ETO courses at different colleges

Current SE information document
http://www.royalnavy.mod.uk/linkedfiles ... 2010_a.pdf

It may be "current", but it is very badly written. I think not by an actual RFA SE officer.

There is only one SEO on a ship - the Systems Engineering Officer, head of the Systems Engineering department. The other officers of the department are simply SEs, perhaps one is DSEO if such a title exists on the larger ships. There is of course no need to distinguish between engineering officers and ratings - officers are Engineers, ratings are Motormen.

Above all, you?ll need to be concerned with
the welfare, morale, training and development of
the skilled engineering ratings and, as your career
progresses, junior officers, who?ll look to you for
expertise, management and leadership.

Utter bollocks! An SE, other than the SEO who manages the PO(SE), is not responsible for any aspect of managing motormen, other than if they are directly assigned to assist him with a particular task. It's a hands-on, do-it-yourself post, same as any junior engineering post in the MN, but even moreso than the ME branch. There are very few Motormen(SE) and they generally assist the PO(SE) in whatever it is he actually does. Changes light bulbs or something. ;-) Smells like it was written by the Royal Navy, for the Royal Navy. RFA recruitment cell should be ashamed.

As Chief Officer, you?re one step away
from becoming a Captain.

Technically true, but there is only one Captain(SE) who serves as some sort of head of branch in a shore post. I notice they've just copied the same wording from the cadetship leaflet

It's all a bit too fantasy.

[Brimbo]

Re: ETO courses at different colleges

The course at SS is unique. They don't do that course at WMA.
The SS ETO course doesn't give you the engineering CoC that you need to become a Chief; but it's still a perfectly good career in it's own right.

The ETO course (HND) gives you a engineering CoC and a electrical ticket, though with adding the ETO to your course you aren't completely exempt from your 2nd's and Chief's, though you are with 2 or 3 subjects I believe. In phase 5 you move to more electrical based lectures, though you still have mechanical mixed in there,

[dawg]

Re: ETO courses at different colleges

The course at SS is unique. They don't do that course at WMA.
The SS ETO course doesn't give you the engineering CoC that you need to become a Chief; but it's still a perfectly good career in it's own right.

The ETO course (HND) gives you a engineering CoC and a electrical ticket, though with adding the ETO to your course you aren't completely exempt from your 2nd's and Chief's, though you are with 2 or 3 subjects I believe. In phase 5 you move to more electrical based lectures, though you still have mechanical mixed in there,

Interesting, I've never heard of any other ETO course at STC... there's nothing about it on their site:
http://www.stc.ac.uk/content/marine-college/degrees

The course I'm talking about is the FdEng Marine Electrical and Electronic Engineering, which when I asked (more than one source), didn't come with any CoC.

This is the info I was given at the time by STC (SS, as I was calling it sorry!)...

The current ETO scheme has two units of the Marine Engineering HND removed and substituted with two other units ?Radio Maintenance? and ?Electronic Navigation Systems?. Hence the current ETO scheme undertake Marine Engineering training with some ETO elements.
Their programme outcomes are:
? HND in Marine Engineering
? EOOW Certificate of Competency
? Exemptions from Second Engineer academic subjects

The new ETO scheme does not provide the EOOW Certificate of Competency qualification and trains people specifically for the role of Electro Technical Officer, rather than a hybrid engineer.
Its programme outcomes are:
Foundation Degree
Exemptions from Chief ETO examinations
MCA Certificate

The ETO to EOOW conversion is the same programme as the Graduate Entry scheme which allows any student who holds a HND or higher qualification to enter the Merchant Navy. Your existing qualifications will exempt you from the course elements of the training, but you would need to undertake the Engineering Workshop Skills (17 weeks full time), EOOW knowledge (11 weeks full time) and then 6 months sea service. The exact requirements are defined by the MCA in their Letter of Initial Assessment. Again you would need a company sponsor to provide the course fees and sea service. For your information the fees for this are Workshop ?3600, EOOW course ?590 plus the STCW safety courses.
Its programme outcome are:
? EOOW Certificate of Competency only

This one's from a company...

Warsash's ETO cadetship is the engineers + ETO Units. South Tyneside's (STC) is a stand alone ETO foundation degree program which doesnt lead to EOOW.

I hope that helps. Info is quite hard to get hold of, and I collected a fair bit and would like to put it on here to help clarify what's what (...and maybe inspire the relevant organisations to provide more and better quality info).

[chris]

Re: ETO courses at different colleges

From talking to companies yesterday, those that do Electro tech cadetships, seem to send to SS, I'm left wondering who actually sends to Warsash? Appart from the RFA Engines you mention...

I heard that Maersk send 'ETO' cadets to Warsash although they don't specifically recruit for ETOs. Is that correct Chiefy?

[Beef1992]

Re: ETO courses at different colleges

Is this eto cadet you refer to rather attractive if so , then it could be the french Electrotech lecturer at STC

[dawg]

Re: ETO courses at different colleges

Is this eto cadet you refer to rather attractive if so , then it could be the french Electrotech lecturer at STC

I'm sure that ETO will blush when he hears about that... ooh la la

[ETO]

Hi, I completed my ETO cadet ship at STC in 2010, I ma now serving as an ETO in the north sea after doing some trips as ETO on super yachts. As far as the merchant navy is concerned ETO's are a new thing, most companies still class this rank as electrician, some have two classes, electrician and electrical engineer, both from a pure electrical background. Electro Technical Officer courses are designed to give you a superior technical knowledge of marine equipment, this is why the EOOW is done aswell. the MCA are bringing in a COC for ETO's and colleges are started to teach ETO courses without the EOOW to increase the electrical and electronic knowledge gained (I think the EOOW should still be on ETO courses as well as it gives ETO's a good general knowledge of the ship with the advantage of the more technical side of things as well)
Once you have ETO status you can take it to cruise ships or any marine industry that employs electrical personnel. The yachting industry and private leisure shipping industry have a more clear view of ETO's, they are fully recognized and most large yachts will carry 3rd 2nd and chief ETO. Yachts are also where an ETO can gain the most experience, and the most money.

If you have any questions I would be happy to answer them.