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    Just wondering if anyone could clear up a maths question - don't panic, it's not that sort of question I have been given conflicting info by recruitment staff at several companies about maths requirements for Cadet training. I'm wondering is there greater volume/difficulty of maths content and therefore different entry requirements between the Deck and Engine cadet courses, (I have applied for mostly Foundation Degree so far). My main worry is that I do not have maths or physics A-level - Doh!
    I'm no expert, but I really don't think it should be making that noise...

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    Re: Maths content for Deck vs Eng

    Im not so sure with the FD course, but far as im aware theres no massive diffrence, For the HND a C's were acceptable, sometimes even D's ( in GCSE level ) for entry, but ive heard most companies have upped this to B's, it could be possible to be accepted with the grade below if you had engineering/navigational experience.
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      Re: Maths content for Deck vs Eng

      For ETO FD, the maths level is mostly a good pass at GCSE level with some A-Level standard thrown in (polynomial division, partial fractions, binomial series etc). I'm taking the course called Engineering Maths so imagine its the same for the Engine FD guys.

      There is no maths entry requirment on my course, and the teacher seems pretty good at teaching the weaker students.

      We've also covered simple calculus- I can't remember if that was in GCSE maths.
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        Re: Maths content for Deck vs Eng

        I entered the FD Engine course with a a C pass at Standard Grade, so my maths was quite a bit behind the standard required for the course. Its a thread that runs through everything you do( thermodynamics, mechanics, ship stabillity ).
        That being said, if you apply yourself and persevere with it you'll find your skills pick up quite quickly. If you are struggling to keep up, there are after hours tutorials to help.
        If you wanted to brush up, I'd reccommend getting your algebra up to scratch ( transposing formulae, quadratics, linear equations etc ). This is the stuff you'll mostly cover during your maths induction, but its definatly helpful to have a basic grasp of it before you start the course.

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        • #5
          Re: Maths content for Deck vs Eng

          Out of interest what A-levels do you have?

          If you are really concerned about it then maybe you should look at going down the HND route (as you say you've only applied for FD). As discussed in the link below you'll see that the FD and HND are pretty much the same thing.

          viewtopic.php?f=35&t=1039

          Hope this helps a bit

          Ben

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          • #6
            Re: Maths content for Deck vs Eng

            Thanks Just Ben, et al, I'm not too worried then, even with my social sciences type background.
            I'm no expert, but I really don't think it should be making that noise...

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            • #7
              Re: Maths content for Deck vs Eng

              The Maths level on the FD is the Same as A-level maths its quite easy if you have done A-level maths as 80% is easily reached some modules are Further maths which is 1st year Uni level maths.
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              • #8
                Re: Maths content for Deck vs Eng

                Looking through it, it looks like a mix of As physics and As Maths with the odd bit of 'interesting' stuff thrown in for good measure.
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                • #9
                  Re: Maths content for Deck vs Eng

                  In the HND courses the pass rate is only 50% for each exam you take, although offically your only aloud 3 re-sits or something. If you get on the lecturers good side you will pretty much be given answers in re-sits or at least helped a lot
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                  • #10
                    Re: Maths content for Deck vs Eng

                    I would say that on the whole the engine route has more maths, and some might say it's harder maths.
                    So far in phase one it's been only up to A-level standard and from the look of things it won't go much higher for the majority. However there are people in my class that have no A-levels, or did them a long time ago, so no option should be ruled out. As previously mentioned there is a lot of help available if you need it.

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                    • #11
                      Re: Maths content for Deck vs Eng

                      I'd tend to say it's six and two threes regarding maths content between discipines.
                      Whilst Engineers do a have lot of theoretical mathematics, e.g. thermodynamics, monitoring etc, the Deck side have just as much, most of which is, dare I say it, used more regularly in a practical sense, a prime example being ship stability.

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                      • #12
                        Re: Maths content for Deck vs Eng

                        You actually calculate your ships stabillity mathematically? You dont use a loadicator or other modelling software?
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                        • #13
                          Re: Maths content for Deck vs Eng

                          GuinessMan,
                          In a sense yes, because at least once a week I confirm what the computer is saying using the hand-o-matic method.
                          If nothing else, it keeps me in practice, which is only to the good!

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                          • #14
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                            MCA reccomends doing sums by hand at least montly to cross check no one broke the software. Most companies have it in thier procedures too, for the same reasons.
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                            • #15
                              Re: Maths content for Deck vs Eng

                              Originally posted by Chiefy
                              MCA reccomends doing sums by hand at least montly to cross check no one broke the software. Most companies have it in thier procedures too, for the same reasons.
                              Yes, and many individuals seem to ignore it or (more likely) are incapable of doing it.

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